To think all conservative voters aren't thinking of others?

[TheGoogleMum]

I realise this doesn't convert anyone and at this point I'm not trying to. But I just don't think anyone who really cares for the welfare of others votes conservative. We know.chikd poverty is highest for 60 years, people are actually dying due to underfunding services (I can link to the research on this if needed). So conservative voters have prioritised brexit and their dislike for Jeremy Corbyn over actually helping others. Whatever way you look at it it wasn't the kind option. Realise I will get flamed for this but it's just how i feel. It's the cruel party and I'm ashamed to be British right now with how everyone voted. Also they had such a dodgy deceitful campaign and as it was rewarded I guess that's the future of politics now :/
I'm not sad labour didn't win, they were never going to. I'm sad at how much conservatives won by as the selfish option that's basically saying it's fine for everything to continue being awful for those struggling.

She wouldn't have to do that if it wasn't for the tories

Well there was enough poverty and homelessness to keep her busy in the 70s (spare time only), the 80s (alongside child rearing), the 90s and the 00s.

Her perception that poverty under labour in the 70s was very much worse, is only anecdotal. The fact that Labour didn’t fix poverty, and on plenty occasions worsened it by damaging the economy, is harder to dispute.

But mainly, you just need to understand that it is terribly ignorant to assume that everyone who disagrees with you is morally inferior.

I’m a Conservative voter and a Christian (who gives regularly to several charities and supports the local food bank) - the two are not incompatible, OP.
I voted for the party that would keep the U.K. together and not wreck the economy with Marxist theories. You need companies to generate profits before you can tax them to provide public services, healthcare and benefit payments.
Boris has pledged £33 billion for the NHS - was that not enough for you, OP?
And if you want to talk Brexit and poverty - did you know poverty levels are higher in Germany (11%) than in the U.K. (7.8%)?

@babdoc Agree with you completely. There does seem to be some immature economic thinking

Remember, some of us didn't vote for ourselves yes you did. You voted for yourself. Even if that self was dressed up with concern for others, so you could make yourself feel better by calling other people, who you don't know, and have no clue about what they are going through, cunts.

You are not a nice person, and you lack self awareness.

Can we ever act against our own self interest ? Discuss.
Reminds me of early philosophy tutorials !!

I'm wrong and ignorant, and stupid
Yep

Corbyn and his batshit, Londoncentric ideas and political ideals is what lost labour the election, along with their 'I know what's best for you' remain MPs, who betrayed their Leave voting constituents.

And instead of going back to the centre left MPs they kicked out because they weren't Marxist enough, they are looking at a #2 Corbyn like figure.

The stupidity amazes me.

The tories didn't win the election, labour and the LDems lost it

How many of these threads are we going to have?

FWIW I didn't vote Tory and doubt I ever would, but people don't vote for one single reason.

I know people who are very poor relying on benefits that voted Tory, because they genuinely believe Torys are better with the economy or they believe Brexit will be better for the UK long term, or that Labour have let them down, lots of reasons.

These aren't my beliefs at all, but we have to understand that people think differently.

Op can you furnish me with the stats on child poverty under 10 years of labour? Surely they reached their targets, drove it down and now according to you.... The torys have single Handley driven it back up?

What preceeded the tories? What note was the jokingly left in the treasury after the Labour tenure?

I suppose poverty just springs up out of nowhere?
Why did Frank field write his famous... Vote leave for the poor blog?
Which children should we be supporting?
Where are the homeless from?

How do you feel about child slavery from poor eu countries?

How do you feel about slavery of all types flourishing, infact its been called a '' phenomenon ' now we have no borders??
Etc etc.

I'm alright jack. I work hard and pay for myself and family.

Ooops freida has said everything I want to and much better.

Frieda I know people who vote Labour and Conservative and guess what... I like them for all sorts of different reasons but only some tories and some Labour would volunteer.
Its not down to party affiliation itself down to personality.

Anyway now red umbilical cords have been severed we will have an enlightenment in politics and get rid of this ridiculous tribalism.

Mps and parties will have to work much harder when they don't have '' traditionally '' safe seats!!

People blindly voting just because mum and dad did for that party!

@tictac86 - what about whose aren’t able to provide for themselves - who is going to help them?

The Tories conserve the money and spend it well on public services and ensure the less well off are looked after.

Really? The last nine years tells a different story...

Plenty of Tory voters are sneery towards anyone who votes Labour as well- the usual accusations about not understanding economics.

I'm just left of centre, but I voted tactically for labour. Despite DH being a high earner, I felt it was best for our family- I don't want to live in an unequal society. I didn't agree with lots of the polices, but I also feel austerity hasn't worked.

I'm all for personal responsibility, but we need to properly fund schools and early childhood as that is for the future benefit of society. Also, disabled people often need financial and practical support if they are to work (if they are able to).

Things such as child benefit and subsidised childcare also help society- we need people to have children so we have future earners, if we make children unaffordable for many it is just storing up problems for the future.

Subsidised childcare also benefits society- if both parents are able to work then that is more tax income. If mothers keep working they will climb the career ladder and have higher future taxes (it's very hard to get back into a well paid job if you take time off). Plus, if there is a marriage break up, a woman who has continued working is less likely to need benefits.

Policies that protect the environment will also be of benefit for the future, no point being richer if lots of people are dead, displaced or sick from climate change.

Protecting health care also helps the economy by keep your workforce in work- hence why many employers offer private health insurance.

Subsidising public transport can help prevent endless traffic jams that must cost lots of time, as well as helping the environment.

People need to look for policies that will have long term benefits rather than just vote winning tax cuts. Our corporation tax is lower than average, and plenty of countries have higher personal tax rates too- without any NHS. We all need to accept that a tiny bit more tax could provide better education and healthcare that would let society prosper and mean we have enough spare to help those people who can't help themselves.

We also need to end tax loopholes that see non-doms and some corporations paying very little tax.

DH and I are going to increase our contributions to charity since we won't have increased taxes as the Tories won.

@cheesemumma

I didn't vote Conservative and I didn't vote to leave the EU, but your attitude and the vile abuse you're levelling at other people because they voted differently to you epitomises the disgusting behaviour of many Labour supporters these days.

You should be ashamed of yourself rather than seeing yourself as some morally superior higher being, just because you voted for a particular party.

Well, I'm not going to vote for someone that's going to ruin my kids' future just so someone else's is better. I'm looking out for my family, and a Labour government would be awful in our situation.

Completely agree, spent yesterday in mourning and felt very low all day about the vote. Cried for the homeless and the people using food banks this year. Talked through with my labour supporting family. Proud of my city Liverpool for voting Labour. Almost feel that the rain reflected the tears shed about this. As silly as that sounds.

This vote came down to morality. The media biased still strong in these comments. No facts to back up how corbyn is racist. No facts to back up anything just headlines sold to idiots by the sun. Regurgitated bull shit that was YOUR responsibility to investigate. To question. Brainwashed by the news and headlines of course protecting Big business.

I wish I could say those who voted tory deserve to reap what they sow. But it will affect us all in so many ways. I know this is inevitable. JC even at the end stayed true to form, classy and didn't stoop low like them arseholes. He was too good and too progressive for the arseholes of this country. Keep checking for any sign of hope from him. But it is gone and now we must face the consequences. Let's do our best to help out those in worse positions than us because that's all the power we have right now. Donate what we can to Foodbank over Christmas especially.
JC gave people hope and them values we all have will hopefully carry on. Johnson will prove himself to be the liar we know he is. Ignorance was not a good enough reason. The vote came down to good vs evil and yet again evil prevailed.

To those who have children and grandchildren. May they learn to forgive you for the decisions you have made that directly impact upon their youth and childhoods. May u be forgiven for spreading shit and hatred about a man who desperately tried to help the people of this country a man who stood up to cunts like Johnson who backed the bankers and burnt money in front of homeless people as an initiation. No point arguing and hating them they will just keep spouting the same bollocks with no evidence because it was on a black and white paper.

All we can do is our best now to help out people in our communities and to rise above the hate. Try not to get involved in the arguments and the tormenting from the right. Just wanted you to know that I know how you feel but I feel like a fire has been started in us and I for one refuse to let it go out.

Can any Corbynista write anything without using the word "cunt"?

The vote came down to good vs evil
Are you the same person as the OP?

@Trewser apparently not.

I'm genuinely worried for some of these posters' mental health.

Yes me too. I suppose if you have issues mentally you might see one particular person as a messiah type figure.

Were...

Is that you Diane??????

To be fair, I was not thinking about the people who voted Conservative when I visited the ballot box either.

Right now, they are getting the country they voted for. Fortunately, because they don't care about me or mine, they will neither see nor care about what I do next. It's a form of peace, at least.

Tresser why so angry ? Why on a thread where the ‘all’ is wrong are you now using ‘all’.
I am sure you can appreciate labour voters/supporters use all sorts of language at all sorts of time for all sorts of reasons ? Just like Tories. We’re all, everyone, dealing with strong emotions right now, surely.