AIBU that an independent Scotland ill have to have a hard border to ensure the rest of the UK keeps control of its borders when Scotland joins theEU

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Whilst I totally agree that Scotland has the right to become independent, it seems to me that they want to push though a vote without telling the people how they expect to fund themselves, what currency they will use and what trading agreement they expect to have with the UK. I really think that these things should be made clear to the rest of the UK before they are allowed their rightful vote - A weak Scotland using our currency could drag us all down with them and a soft border would encourage the continued uncontrolled migration to England via Scotland. AIBU

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So it's illegal to print money without permission. That's a) not a surprise and b) not what we are discussing.

@Harpingon

Where did we say Scotland would print the pound? We said we could use it. That's not the same. I've repeatedly explained that the bank of england would be the ones in control and we would be surrendering control of currency. But it's not illegal to use it.

Ecuador being told it is illegal to print USD is not the same as them being told it is illegal to use USD as their official currency. But you seem to think that they mean the same thing.

There is nothing illegal about using another countries currency. At all. You're not going to be able to make that case.

“ Oh we won't be short of money because the UK will give us billions of pounds to start us off. It'll all be fine.”

The UK won’t be giving us anything, we will be taking our share of reserves and there will be negotiation regarding debts and assets.

I know some people struggle with reading comprehension but come on. So far you've translated every quote saying scotland SHOULDNT keep sterling to mean Scotland CANNOT keep sterling.

You've misunderstood a comparisons about EU member states sharing a currency which is controlled outside of their own countries to scotland using sterling which is controlled outside if its country.

And now you think that not being alleed to print money also means its illegale to use it as your official currency.

I give up! You are just being silly. From England's point of view we Really Will get to keep Sterling 😊, 60% of our national debt will be paid off meaning we can borrow more and flood our country with infastucture / hospital / schools funding. We will keep the money we send to Scotland currently and benefit from their financial services moving to London. We will have extra revenue from import taxes and payment for use of our infastucture. And not many people will feel good about taking holidays up there so resorts in England may get a boost. You win! 😂

Are you actually like... not very smart?
Read above. I'm against independence.

But you said it was illegal to use sterling after independence. It's not. You've come up with some very weird excuses for saying that, all of which dont mean its illegal. And you still csnt bring yourself to say "I mispoke. It's not illegal".

And I'm not even going to engage you on the 60% thing. If you csnt understand that using another currency isn't illegal the you wont understand how GERS actually calculated its figures and why they are misleading.

England wont be better off without Scotland. But you're so completely misinformed about everything else so you'll never learn.

@CrissmussMockers - The 1707 Act of Union was revoked in 1801.

That is true. I had forgotten that. Quick post before running out the door.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland remained the United Kingdom when southern Ireland left, and it will remain The United Kingdom if Scotland leaves

How can that be, if Great Britain is no longer in the union? Only part of GB will be in the union so the name will be incorrect. Also, there is no such place as Southern Ireland. I assume you mean when 26 counties left the UK to become the Irish Free State?

The legal term is secedes.

Yes, I know.

And since it will be the only united kingdom in Great Britian and Northern Ireland, the name, flag and everything else will stay.

That's debatable. If only part of Great Britain is in it, how can it be called the United Kingdom of GB and NI? The flag will also not be representative of its constituent members.

Hahaha Lulualla no, I'm very smart thankyou, worked in finance, have a degree etc. I'm sure we will sell you Our currency at a very special rate......

When Scotland chooses independence there will be no hard border and minimal trade barriers. There will be a good relationship between Scotland and Downing Street. The Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland will need to play nice if they want unfettered access to the nukes we’ll be minding for them while they waste billions on finding a new home for them.

@Harpingon
But you dont understand the difference between "illegal to print" and "illegal to use as official currency". And you dont understand that a comparison isn't the same as saying "we will use the euro too". Hmm.

@StreetwiseHercules
SNP want rid of trident. You know that the cost of trident is attributed to scotland when they do those deficit calculations, but it's something which is meant to benefit the whole UK. But we get blamed for the cost (that's just one way that the 60% figure is bullshit).
SNP want rid. If they get their way, we wont have those nukes.

“ Hahaha Lulualla no, I'm very smart thankyou, worked in finance, have a degree etc. I'm sure we will sell you Our currency at a very special rate......”

It’s not just your currency though. It’s ours too. You’ll strike a deal if you don’t want a competitor currency next door founded by reserves taken directly from the Bank of England and Treasury, with the associated devaluation of Sterling.

Unless you burn your bridges and we say no.

Scotland has an eye watering deficit of £15 Billion this year alone. (far more than England, No and Wales put together). It has spent more than it earns for many years historically. It will not only loose the funding from the UK but it will also loose the funding from the EU. It has very few assets and it is debatable whether they would cover the debts it will have to pay back when it leaves. It does not have enough reserves to begin borrowing from any other country.

Streetwise, you're really not doing the Scottish any favours here. You're spouting a lot of SNP party lines which simply arent feasible or true.

Indeed, that is one of the ways the 60% figure is laughable. Also things like whisky. How much of Diageo’s tax revenue is classed as generated in London, when it is produced in Scotland?

I know we want rid of the nukes but realistically we will need to mind them while the British Government finds somewhere else to put them. And they’ll need to pay rent.

It will loose?
Loose means like, "the knot was very loose".
I think you mean lose.

Streetwiseherculese. We would never strike a deal on Sterling. That never going to happen, it would be disaterous.

“Streetwise, you're really not doing the Scottish any favours here. You're spouting a lot of SNP party lines which simply arent feasible or true.“

Again, something you British nationalists cannot understand about modern, inclusive progressive nationalism; I am not interested in “the Scottish”. I am interested in the well being of the People of Scotland, of all nationalities.

Nothing I have said isn’t true, and I am not a member of the SNP.

Harpington you're doing yourself no favours here at all. It's quite hard to rate the supposed knowledge and understanding of someone who can't seem to understand and answer a simple point.

Or spell the word 'lose', for that matter.

Lulualla darn spell check!! 😂

@Harpingon

That figure is wrong. Go and research it. A huge amount of revenue which is generate by Scotland, and will remind in an independent Scotland, is put into those calculations as "revenue from london". A whole lot of spending which the Scots dont want, and will not be spent in an independent scotland, is put into that calculation as "scottish expenses".
The calculations are wrong. It's been getting said for years. It doesn't give the real picture. It's not worth the paper it's written on.

“ Streetwiseherculese. We would never strike a deal on Sterling. That never going to happen, it would be disaterous.”

No problem. It’s your economy’s funeral.

Fizzygreenwater........... You spelt my name wrong there 😂