To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

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I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

Would be fascinated to hear from those who think JC was “simply not a leader” etc as regards Boris Johnson on the same ticket?

That supporters of his can not understand the difference is baffling

I think a lot of his supporters are young and never actually lived with the reality of IRA/UDLA/UVF etc bombings, nor lived in parts of the UK impacted by sectarian divisions. I recall them laughing at me when I told them Scotland would not vote for an IRA sympathiser before he was ever elected party leader.

For those who don't 'get' it though, Corbyn only talked to the IRA. Peace negotiations require talking to both sides, not picking sides, which is all Corbyn did.

What's this all about then if he's so amazing?

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.

Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
(Copied from elsewhere.)

Is it all made up?

I joined the Labour Party because of him. I think he’s such a kind, deeply principled and essentially good man. I’ll vote for the next leader but none of the options inspire me really. I’ll probably leave the party.

Really don't get the PP who blames Corbyn for forcing them to vote Tory though.
Own your actions ffs. He didn't put a gun to your head. What a cowardly thing to say.
I prefer an honest Tory who says " This is the best option as far as I'm concerned" and doesn't blame anyone else for THEIR vote.

This is really dismissive of people in the Labour heartlands who would have really struggled to vote Tory but felt there was no other choice. Are they cowardly? People who have never voted Conservative before but felt that there was no other choice. What came up time and time again on the doorstep? Dislike and distrust of Corbyn, poor leadership, and Brexit.

Totally agree Marsha.

YANBU and YABU. He is a deeply principled man who genuinely wants a fairer society and I admire him for that. I cannot forgive him for not stepping back after labour lost the 2017 election though. Rightly or wrongly this country is slightly right leaning, and given a choice between hard right and hard left they will choose hard right. Labour will never stand a chance with a far left leader, and his refusal to let a more centre leader take over played a very very large part in the huge Tory majority we now have. That, together with Brexit, created the perfect storm. Unless he and the cohort around him are willing to entertain this (and it doesn’t seem like they do) insanity will continue- doing the same thing and expecting a different result. With a far left leader, Labour pave the way for a Tory government.

No other choice? Gun on their head? Please.

Sorry but voting for Boris Johnson is not something anyone could ever force me to do.

And it is note the voting Tory that I find cowardly per se, it's the statement that someone else made them that I find utterly ridiculous.

I completely agree OP.

YANBU. I really don't understand the hatred for him. He's pretty much the only politician I have ever heard speak, and don't instantly think they're just lying. He seems like a decent human being, and I think he could have made such a difference to the country.

bobstersmum your list proves this is why he should never ever be PM

And also lists why he should have been kicked out of the Labour Party years ago - inviting ex IRA bombers to the HOP a few weeks after the Brighton bombing when members of parliament had died (and a number of other innocent people who died and suffered) - I don’t think people understand or want to accept that this was not just an attack on the government it was an attack on our democracy

This shows the utter contempt Corbyn has for people who do not share his political views

No one can defend this country even he has struggled to

No other choice? Gun on their head? Please

I agree with you completely. The most telling thing for me is that everyone who said this used virtually the exact combination of words. Like they were parroting a sound bite they’d heard from someone else. ‘I can’t bring myself to vote for Corbyn’ or even just in can’t vote for Corbyn’

Yes, you could. You just didn’t want to. And that’s absolutely fine - your vote is your decision. But don’t make out that you were forced in to it. You could have abstained altogether if you had wanted to.

Such a shame the public don't want positive change
We do want positive change. We just don’t want to pay for it out of our own pockets.

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No one can defend this even he struggles to

Jeremy Corbyn is a posh, middle class, privately educated man, who sent his sons to Queen Elizabeth Boys Grammar School in Barnet instead of Holloway comprehensive.
He has little understanding of being Northern, working class and having no choice about where your kids go to school. He is a do as I say, not do as I do, socialist. Married three times, his current wife is over twenty years younger than him.
I find him hypocritical and patronising.

And I say that as someone who voted labour this time round. Would have kicked out our useless Tory MP too if labour and LD hadn’t split the vote between them so I think both those parties are great, thundering backsides at the moment.

Jeremy Corbyn is a posh, middle class, privately educated man, who sent his sons to Queen Elizabeth Boys Grammar School in Barnet instead of Holloway comprehensive

Yes, I must prefer my middle class politicians to not even attempt to understand the working class

Exactly! Abstain or vote for someone else. And if you are going to vote for a racist buffoon don't make out that you didn't really want to.

YANBU. It's a real shame all the bad press influenced people's opinion of him.

He seems like a decent human being, and I think he could have made such a difference to the country.

'A decent human being' whose media outriders called traditional labour supporters 'Gammon' and left wing feminists 'TERFS', and who appeared to be more interested in protecting Ken Livingstone than Ruth Smeeth.

I am no lover of Labour and Corbyn was trashed. However I saw Alan Johnson with that idiot Jon Momentum. He was brilliant. Told it how it was and it was one of the more memorable snippets from this election.

Fgs - chuck out McDonnell, Abbott and Corbyn. Another leftie, with communist/Marxist views will be sitting on the opposition side forever.

It’s a real insult to those great Labour MPs some of whom have lost their jobs.

It will take at least 2-3 elections to get back on track and even then unless they get back into the centre they will fail and fail again

It's a real shame all the bad press influenced people's opinion of him.

I agree that Novara Media must take a great deal of the responsibility for this result.

YANBU.
Just seen this on fb, I think it's from the Guardian. This sums up a lot of how I feel.