To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

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I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

'Awful man. Rampant ego and anti Semite.'

I do hope you didn't vote conservative then.

Let’s look at it differently. If the Labour Party was a large company and Corbyn the CEO, the business performance of the company would be judged to be his responsibility. You can’t blame the workers in the company (the voters in this analogy) for business failings, that is what you have a management structure for.

YABU he was an anti-Semitic idiot before the election and he's just the same now.

Magic Grandpa! He’s lovely, I’m sure, once you get past the anti-semitism.

Luckily for you you’ve been saved from the horror of actually having him lead the country by sensible normal working class voters who understand that free stuff always comes at a price.

YANBU.
After decades of people moaning all politicians are the same, we've just blown what I think was our only chance in my lifetime to elect one that wasnt.
Everything about him in the MSM was twisted, he held talks to try and bring about peace (which is the best way to), anti semitism was no worse in the labour party than anywhere else and they were slow with dealing with some cases as the party had a huge membership explosion after he was made leader and not enough people were put in place to deal with it, a big number of complaints were found not to even be by labour party members, Corbyn's history before most people even knew who he was proved he was the opposite of anti semitic.
The billionaires of this country have done everything In their power to ensure he didnt win because they knew what it would mean for them.
Over 80% of Tory sponsored adverts were incorrect/untrue (BBC investigation), compared to labour's 0%. There was also an illegal poster country wide on election day paid for by the torys.
The next 5 years will see the further dismantling of the NHS and all the other things some people really dont think will happen, until it does.
We had the chance for a better, kinder, more community focused (and I dont mean people helping out at fecking food banks) society, and we've just wasted it. I think last week will go down in history, the only thing I'm glad about is they wont now be blamed forever more for the shitshow that's about to happen of leaving the EU and that when my daughter asks me in the future how it all went so wrong I can tell her I voted against it.
Theres a lot of devastated and scared people now as a result of this bit of hope being taken away so the people gloating need to try and dial it back and keep their mouths shut. (Not particularly on here but everywhere).

Again, it’s not about wanting to keep votes.

I'm afraid it is. The route to government is votes.

If Labour turned Tory they would have won more votes this time (clearly). But then they wouldn’t represent me or people like me.

Can you not see that there is a difference between 'turning Tory' and representing a wider group that just you and people like you?

They aren't effectively representing anyone at the moment because the Conservatives have such a massive majority that they can ignore the opposition.

Which is a shame, but it doesn’t change the type of society I want to live in.

One where Labour is in permanent opposition?

Labour supporters. Stop blaming the media. Just stop. As Stephen Kinnock said on QT, it sounds churlish and weak, like blaming the ref when your team losers. It endears you to no one and people just stop listening whenever you say it because it shows that you have no understanding or sense of responsibility.

Yes, the media game is hard. Yes, some of them are biased against the left. But the only way is to get the media onside. Blair did it in ‘97. Nobody wants to hear, for the zillionth time, that it was a mainstream media smear campaign. It doesn’t matter, it’s incredibly boring and along with every thorn else it ignores the fact that Corbyn had a crap media game anyway.

merrymouse

Obviously not.

Can you not see that there is a difference between 'turning Tory' and representing a wider group that just you and people like you?

Ten million is a pretty wide group if you ask me.

Jillyhilly do you think he was treated fairly and impartially by the main stream media then?

I accept that the biggest cause of loss of this election was the stance on Brexit which he was pushed to take by remainers within the party, the stats seem to show that anyway.

But after an independent investigation it showed that only 11% of any articles about him in the MSM were completely true, do you think that's ok?

He hasn’t stepped down

He is still leader of the party - he absolutely should have stepped down but he wants some control over who the next leader is even though the public have rejected his type of politics

And to those not understanding the IRA issue - Mowlam, Blair, Clinton other senior politicians held high level negotiations with the aim to bring peace

Corbyn didn’t hold any high level peace talks at all and has never been involved in peace negotiations at a government level or had any influence at all

That supporters of his can not understand the difference is baffling - there is one thing to like his stance but to believe all his PR and to make him out to be something he isn’t is something else - but that’s the cult of Corbyn

'Labour supporters. Stop blaming the media.'

Not a labour supporter but it cannot be denied that the media have a large role to play in any election campaign.

And the media in the UK, outside of the BBC and especially the newspapers, is heavily biased towards the right wing. This undeniably has an impact. Rich people own newspapers; rich people benefit from tory governments. It doesn't take a genius to recognise.

Ten million is a pretty wide group if you ask me.

Have you been following the news? Have you noticed that Labour lost?

'Blair did it in ‘97'

Actually no, not really. Do you not remember new labour, new danger. Blair did it despite the press, not with them.

Ten million means sod all

Labour candidate Chris Bryant has said it has been the "worst night for Labour since 1935".
He told BBC Wales the night was "a catastrophe", saying the party had now lost four elections in a row, as they did from 1979 to 1992.
"My real fear now is if we in the Labour party don't do the soul searching that we did after the 1992 election, we could be in the wilderness for even longer."

‘In a front page article headlined 'The Sun Backs Blair', the paper, which has a daily readership of more than 10 million, says Tony Blair should be the next prime minister.’ March 1997

Ten million means sod all

In which case twelve million doesn’t mean much more.

Labour candidate Chris Bryant has said it has been the "worst night for Labour since 1935".

Particularly bad because usually a party that had been in opposition for this long would not be losing seats.

It's definitely the first time that anybody has ever lost to somebody who hides in fridges and can't say how many children he has.

Have you been following the news? Have you noticed that Labour lost?

I’m onto it, yes.

Church how do you feel about the worst night for Labour since 1935?

fruitandbarley I haven’t looked at that independent study. What was the methodology used to judge what was “true” and what wasn’t? The media are human being writing stories, and defining “truth” is extremely difficult. Do you think Ash Sarkar or Owen Jones wrote consistently “true”’things about Boris and the Tories?

I can see from your perspective that this must be incredibly annoying if you feel your man hasn’t been given a fair shot in the media. But that attitude, which is essentially a way of saying that normal people are easily “played” and too stupid to make sensible decisions, is not helping your case. It is a way of blaming normal working people for a result you don’t like and it doesn’t come across well. Most people don’t actually rely 100% on MSM to decide these things, especially these days. They read a headline, watch a YouTube video, talk to family and friends, rely on a “gut feeling” about a candidate, work out in their own minds, based on their life experience, that something doesn’t add up about a list of random free stuff.

Get over the media thing. It isn’t helping you. Look elsewhere for answers.

Not unreasonable at all to like him. I certainly do. But yes he is partially responsible for this disaster. He wasn't helped by the press, but back in 2017 he did much better in spite of the press, this time around something clearly shifted. Some of the things in his manifesto were outrageous, even by my very liberal standards.
Still like the man, don't rate him as a party leader.
And still gutted that people choose an evil wanker over a nice bloke, but hey. We need someone who is more convincing against the evil wanker.

Really don't get the PP who blames Corbyn for forcing them to vote Tory though.
Own your actions ffs. He didn't put a gun to your head. What a cowardly thing to say.
I prefer an honest Tory who says " This is the best option as far as I'm concerned" and doesn't blame anyone else for THEIR vote.

He hasn't left the role though. Hanging on to the grim end.

I do worry Labour will go down hill further. Still there are supporters who won’t look at obvious mistakes that lost votes. And won’t change.
I find it sad if so.