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AIBU?

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To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

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malificent7 · 14/12/2019 06:59

I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

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Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 17:19

I didnt say you had to share it.

I just think a kind, honest principled man wanting to a leader, basing his campaign on wanting to help should have put the country first. He didnt.

Either because he has no clue what's going out outside his bubble. Or he did know and didnt care.

Either way, its poor leadership and (I feel) that does deserve an apology.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 17:21

Marleyisme

And of course you can think what you like. 🤷🏻‍♀️

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 17:22

failed to appeal to anyone that would normally vote Labour.

His party got ten million votes.

noblegiraffe · 15/12/2019 17:31

If people were selfish, wouldn’t they vote for free broadband, cheaper train fares, a pay rise etc?

I think the fact that they didn’t shows that it’s not as straightforward as accusing people of voting in their own self-interest.

noblegiraffe · 15/12/2019 17:38

I voted Labour tactically in 2017 despite having doubts about Corbyn. I was then horrified to see my vote used as ‘75% of people voted for parties with Brexit in their manifesto, thus there is massive support for Brexit’.

I didn’t vote Labour this time, couldn’t put my cross in the antisemitism box (didn’t vote Tory either before you start) and I’m glad I didn’t because I’d be mightily fucked off at church wielding what would have been a very reluctant tactical vote against the Tories as supposed support for Corbyn.

jcurve · 15/12/2019 17:38

His party got ten million votes.

Yes, he was 3m down on his last effort? the 2017 election. The trend certainly wasn’t going in the right direction.

Dontdisturbmenow · 15/12/2019 17:45

This whole 'if you voted conservative, you can only be selfishdh' implying that those who voted labour are not.

My SIL voted labour. She is a sahm and her and her OH claim tax credits. When asked why she doesn't work, she says that it's better for her child to be at home and she can spend more quality time with her.

That's fair enough, but this is a selfish decision that benefits her rather than anyone else.

Everyone vote for selfish reasons whether they realise it or not.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 18:18

Yes, the vote was lower. No, it’s not at all reasonable to say he had no support. He has a lot of support, just not quite enough.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 18:20

I didn’t vote Labour this time, couldn’t put my cross in the antisemitism box (didn’t vote Tory either before you start) and I’m glad I didn’t because I’d be mightily fucked off at church wielding what would have been a very reluctant tactical vote against the Tories as supposed support for Corbyn.

It’s quite facile for people to pull the “tactical” vote card out of the bag as an argument against Corbyn but to assume that everyone who voted for Johnson wanted to do that as a happy alternative. I’m sure there were lots of people on both sides voting tactically. But the bottom line is that ten million people considered Labour their best option. You can’t say he has no support.

noblegiraffe · 15/12/2019 18:39

Johnson admits that larges swathes of people ‘lent’ him their vote.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 18:43

I’m sure they did.

jcurve · 15/12/2019 18:44

I But the bottom line is that ten million people considered Labour their best option. You can’t say he has no support.

This isn’t the primary school sports day where participating gets a rosette. He still fell seriously short.

Grown up politics involves trying to win because that’s the only way JC (or any Labour PM) can make a meaningful change to the national discourse. Instead, Labour will now bleat from the sidelines and will never drum up enough support to prevent harmful legislation passing through the Commons.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/12/2019 18:45

Labour had support but no where near enough

Fact is that they suffered their worse loss since 1935 no one predicted this - a rejection of Labour as they now stand

So time for a change and a look back at the mistakes Labour have once again made

AuntSpiker · 15/12/2019 18:47

Yes, the vote was lower. No, it’s not at all reasonable to say he had no support. He has a lot of support, just not quite enough.

I don't think even the most generous Labour voter would describe winning 159 fewer seats than your main opponents as 'not quite enough'

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 18:49

AuntSpiker

The difference was 2 million votes. It’s a lot, but the difference between Labour and Tories is less than it appears in terms of seats in the House of Commons.

MrsPworkingmummy · 15/12/2019 18:50

YANBU he is a highly principled and moral man, who unfortunately has been victim to a smear campaign led by the tory-supporting billionaires. I'm devastated by the GE result.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 18:50

This isn’t the primary school sports day where participating gets a rosette. He still fell seriously short.

He did. But he was honest and fair and dignified, he tried his best, and I can’t ask for more than that.

noblegiraffe · 15/12/2019 18:59

he tried his best, and I can’t ask for more than that.

Er, yeah you could. You could have asked that since he was totally and obviously unpopular with the general public that he stand aside and let someone else have a shot.

You basically entered a football team into a tournament with only 8 players then expected people to be pleased that they ‘tried their best’ when there was an option of entering a full-strength team but it might have hurt the feelings of the 8 player team who really wanted a go.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 19:02

noblegiraffe

The issue - again - is that I don’t see it that way. I think Brexit is a bigger factor than Corbyn and personality politics. As I have said already on this thread, a different leader might have done better with different policies but that is by no means definite and would by no means have been pronounced.

I can’t agree with you, so I am just going to leave it there.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/12/2019 19:03

There was a difference of over 3 1/2 million votes not 2 million

He tried his best getting his type of Labour Party over to the voters even though he had been told over and over again they this wasn’t what voters wanted from Labour (plus many didn’t want him as leader) trying his best for himself - I want a leader that puts the party first. Blair left mid term when he knew he was damaging the party so should have Corbyn

He shall continue the damage - his personal left leaning ideology is more important than Labour being in power we have all now seen this

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 19:06

his personal left leaning ideology is more important than Labour being in power we have all now seen this

So now we are condemning people for holding their principles dearer than power?

Fair enough re. number of votes - I got the Conservative figure wrong. But ten million people voted for Labour. It’s not chicken feed.

everythingisginandroses · 15/12/2019 19:07

I'll always respect him and like him greatly. It's been a privilege to be in the Labour Party (I joined in 2011) and will remain so.

ReadtheSmallPrint · 15/12/2019 19:11

Johnson admits that larges swathes of people ‘lent’ him their vote.

That’s what Labour are desperately clinging to. I’m not entirely convinced.

I lived in Tony Blair’s Sedgefield constituency from 1997 to 1999. If someone had told me then that this strange collection of former pit villages would one day have a tory MP I would have literally pissed myself laughing. Pigs sprouting wings and flying would have seemed more plausible.

Tony Blair won with 71% of the vote share in 1997. However, the tories have been gaining in vote share there in almost every general election since. The balance has now tipped in their favour. I’ve not looked at Bish, but I don’t think it was a ‘safe’ Labour seat even in 2017.

Something is happening with support for Labour in WWC areas. Dismiss these voters as having just voted on Brexit/Corbyn and Labour risks repeating the same mistake in 2024.

By the end of this parliament, every Labour leader to have won a general election in the last 50 years will be called Tony Blair.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/12/2019 19:12

No we are condemning people for only considering their own principles when are when you a representing a national party

Ffs he is a student union rep

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 15/12/2019 19:14

he isn’t a student union rep

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