Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

758 replies

malificent7 · 14/12/2019 06:59

I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

OP posts:
Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 10:40

Of course it does. He’s the leader I want, so it means I disagree with your assessment of him, and therefore your conclusion that he should have stepped down because he wasn’t a leader.*

Nope you said, they should have elected him as leader, if they thought he couldnt win. I agree they shouldnt have.

But equally, he knew that too and shouldnt have accepted it.

Either that or he know very little about ybe electorate at large. He knows what it take to win and wouldnt compromise. That's his choice. But he knew he wouldnt win in that case.

Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 10:41

He apologised this morning. In a newspaper article.

So either he did have something to apologise about or he is compromising his values.

Happinessinapeartree · 15/12/2019 10:43

Corbyn apologised by referencing an IRA statement. Brilliant. Sure the people of Warrington will rally round that.

He really can't help himself.

Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 10:45

I’m sorry that we came up short and I take my responsibility for it.”

This is what he said in a letter to a newspaper.

His party are calling for him to step down now. But he isnt doing.

That's HIS choice to not listen, even now.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 10:45

Nope you said, they should have elected him as leader, if they thought he couldnt win. I agree they shouldnt have.

But that’s the point, Marley, they obviously did think he could win. And so did I. I wish he had. I don’t blame him for not winning - I’m not an ingrate or a child, so I understand that the outcome isn’t just on Corbyn.

Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 10:47

But that’s the point, Marley, they obviously did think he could win. And so did I. I wish he had. I don’t blame him for not winning - I’m not an ingrate or a child, so I understand that the outcome isn’t just on Corbyn

No one said it was just on him.

If he thought he could win, then he knows nothing about politics. So shouldnt be the leader of the party.

noblegiraffe · 15/12/2019 10:58

But in 2017 he nearly did win,

What? He got 262 seats in 2017, you need 326 seats to win. The Conservatives got 318. Which party was closer to winning?

As for “Corbyn did nothing wrong”, well bloody hell where to start? Allowing antisemitism to flourish in the party was, on reflection, probably a bad move.
His manifesto was a mess. Too many freebies promised, no clear message. Free fucking broadband. There was so much stuff in there that no one actually believed in it. The country turned away from someone promising them the moon on a stick because they didn’t trust Corbyn would actually do it.
Not being willing to enter any sort of Remain alliance or stand candidates down. He was going to need the other parties support but no, Corbyn does not work well with others.
But the biggest mistake was him not stepping down and letting someone less hated take over, when it was obvious that people hated him so much they wouldn’t vote for him.

Yes Labour lost Leave votes, but they should have picked up Remain votes. They didn’t, because Corbyn was shit and ran a shit campaign.

penberrh · 15/12/2019 11:07

Guardian reporting that Corbyn will stay on for another 8-10 weeks.

WTAF?

Like a despot clinging to power long enough to get a successor in his own image installed.

And all the while the average person is royally fucked because for as long as that is the direction of the Labour Party we will only ever have a Tory government.

penberrh · 15/12/2019 11:08

And ‘nearly winning’ = losing. He should have stepped down in 2017.

Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 11:09

Like a despot clinging to power long enough to get a successor in his own image installed

Yep. Despite knowing it's not what the electorate wants. Not really a good man. Condemning us to have tories in for the next 10 years. Not really a man of high principles doing what's best for the majority either.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 11:14

Marleyisme

I’m sorry that we came up short and I take my responsibility for it.”

Nothing wrong with his comment. I don’t believe he needed to apologise.

Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 11:23

He felt he needed to apologise. So even he is saying he got it wrong.

You may disagree. But he doesnt. Maybe he is finally grasping the electorate in this country.

Or he is just paying lip service. And doesnt believe it.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 15/12/2019 11:41

Are they cowardly

No they are extremely brave to have voted for a party that will bring in policies that will actively harm them.

I do respect Jeremy Corbyn and his principles. I think that the narrative around the Labour Party in recent years has been designed to provoke fears of communism. As someone born in a communist country I can categorically state that there is a difference.

Saying that I didn't vote for Jeremy to be the leader because I wanted someone who would get elected as PM. It was a cynical vote that went against my beliefs as a labour supporter, but based on the fact that even a labour government under Tony Blair was better than a conservative government under anyone. I still believe this now and will be using my vote for the leader who will make labour electable and bring back the seats that we lost.

rockingchaircandle · 15/12/2019 13:51

He is too principled to stand a chance. Read 'A Very British Coup', they couldn't let him have a fair fight. And the techniques available to billionaires wanting to buy politicians to keep the status quo/ roll back rights further are so much more powerful now, than when the book was written.
I think he's caught the interest of the next generation, hopefully they will be bolder.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/12/2019 13:53

I understand that the outcome isn’t just on Corbyn

So do I; as has been said, Labour's members and Momentum share much of the blame for continuing to back him no matter what, even after the Vote of No Confidence among his MPs

I do agree, though, that "a man of principle" would have gone once it became clear his leadership was utterly toxic, and the fact he's still there beggars belief. Ideological purity's admirable in its way, but if the intention really is to appoint another leader in his image we'll be stuck with the Tories for a generation

koshkat · 15/12/2019 13:56

Like a despot clinging to power long enough to get a successor in his own image installed.

This is the bloody worrying thing. the LP's next leader needs to be nothing like him but he is staying there to make sure that a clone gets the job.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/12/2019 14:01

By the way, please does anyone have a link to this "apology" Corbyn's made in a newspaper this morning?

In can't seem to find it ...

noblegiraffe · 15/12/2019 14:04

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/we-won-the-argument-but-i-regret-we-didnt-convert-that-into-a-majority-for-change

Non-apology. John McDonnell did an actual apology on Marr.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/12/2019 14:29

Thank you, noblegiraffe Flowers

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 16:41

Marleyisme

I have no doubt that he is sorry for the fact that Labour did not do better. That isn’t the same as apologising for your actions. I don’t believe his comments amounted to an apology, but that’s fine by me because I don’t think he owes one.

Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 17:03

He takes, at least some, responsibility for it.

Yes that dies require and apology. For not putting the party or country first

GREATAUNT1 · 15/12/2019 17:04

I’ll forever mourn Jezza not becoming PM, & was excited about the future for everyone. JC made people realize how selfish they were, & showed them up for what they really are. GB is now a circus with the clown in charge, people fell for it.

recrudescence · 15/12/2019 17:07

GB is now a circus with the clown in charge

Because they were utterly repelled by Corbyn and could not vote for him.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 17:17

Yes that dies require and apology. For not putting the party or country first

You’re entitled to that opinion. I just don’t share it.

jcurve · 15/12/2019 17:18

JC made people realize how selfish they were, & showed them up for what they really are. GB is now a circus with the clown in charge, people fell for it.

I’d argue he actually made them realise they didn’t trust him as a PM, so much so that they voted for an untrustworthy liar. JC hasn’t made people realise anything except that he ran a terrible campaign and failed to appeal to anyone that would normally vote Labour.

Swipe left for the next trending thread