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To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

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malificent7 · 14/12/2019 06:59

I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

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bakingdemon · 14/12/2019 19:56

YABVVVU.

There was the time he celebrated terrorists who massacred Jewish athletes: www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45196409
There was the time all the UK's Jewish newspapers said their readers feared him being PM: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/don-t-vote-for-corbyn-pleads-jewish-chronicle-lj3pt9gmm
There was the time the IFS said that his economic plans were impossible: www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/labour-manifesto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers
There was the time he invited the political front for the IRA to the Houses of Parliament just weeks after they tried to assassinate the Prime Minister and did murder several people: www.newsletter.co.uk/news/when-jeremy-met-gerry-1-7106302
There were all the times he appeared at rallies alongside groups who want gays murdered, women subjugated and Jews eradicated:
And you know very well that there is a lot more where all that came from.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 20:00

@churchandstate by your own thinking, you are morally corrupt. You need to go to work. No reason for you to be sahm. You need to out earning money and redistributing it.

😂😂👀

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 20:02

PhilSwagielka

Anybody talking about “the Jews” as a monolithic entity has lost the plot.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/12/2019 20:08

It wouldn’t be practical to provide a roughly equal standard of living for everyone

Ain't that the truth Wink

Anyway it's been wonderful debating with you all, but I'm off to watch a Christmas movie ...

Ylvamoon · 14/12/2019 20:11

...as my dad always said: having principles is great, shame you can't eat them!

Northernsoulgirl45 · 14/12/2019 20:11

Yanbu. The press trested him in an appalling manner.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 20:23

Anyway it's been wonderful debating with you all, but I'm off to watch a Christmas movie ...

Enjoy! I watched Home Alone 2.

Ritascornershop · 14/12/2019 20:48

YABVU - he didn’t step down even when it was blindingly obvious he was going to be a major reason Labour would lose seats and it wasn’t just obsessing about Israel, it was that when party members, some quite high up, made nasty anti-Semitic remarks they were not disciplined in a timely manner and sometimes were not disciplined at all. He could have insisted that the staff working on the complaints get support for the work they were trying to do to to curtail the anti-semitism but he did not.

As Tracey Ullman said (dressed as JC in a skit) “I personally spoke to all the anti-semites in the Labour party and I’ve told them in no uncertain terms, ‘tone it down a bit’.”

Bluntness100 · 15/12/2019 06:16

The U.K. has never been and will never be a communist/socialist society. It's a capitalist one, with its roots in fair opportunities at its heart.

The issue with this whole redistribution of wealth thing is the only people who want it are a small minority and they usually are the ones who want it redistributed to them, not from them.

Most people want the opportunity to work, to train, to have a decent standard of living, they want the chance for them and their children to be able to do it themselves, and when something prevents that, be it disability or ill health onwards then they want support. Few just want what others have "redistributed" to them to make their lives easier. People don't support that view point in general, It's never been the culture and it never will be.

Few if any western societies have ever been supportive successfully of a communist/socialist ideology.

BillywilliamV · 15/12/2019 06:41

Jeremy Corbyn treats British politics as if it was a case study in a PPE course.
He may be principled but he is totally out of touch with reality.
DH and I voted labour, but we are in a safe conservative seat, so absolutely a protest vote.
I loathe the Tories and all they stand for, a credible opposition would be useful.
I really wouldn’t trust Corbyn to run me a bath, never mind run a country!

WithTheTide · 15/12/2019 06:52

YANBU - JC is a principled democratic socialist. He has not engaged in personal slurs and name calling nor spreading lies. He has called out the treatment of Palestinians, he has questioned the influence Saudi Arabia has over us - selling arms and the massacres in The Yemen, he tends to be proactive rather than reactive which is progressive. I like JC he was slow to address antisemitism as the Tory’s were/are to address Islamophobia. But we all voted for what means the best for us and society. For me that was Labour and Jeremy Corbyn but for some of my friends it was not. We still get along well. I do think the right wing and not so right wing media had a fear campaign against Labour which muddied the waters but that seems to be politics.

Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 07:18

These are the jokers the country elected.

I know, it's awful. What's even worse is that I havent met anyone who thinks the Tories are great. Not even people who voted for them.

It says alot that JC still didnt get people onside. If only he had gone after the last election.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 07:21

It says alot that JC still didnt get people onside. If only he had gone after the last election.

It might well have made a difference. But I’m not in the “it was all Corbyn’s fault” camp. There were several factors and they worked together against Labour here.

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malificent7 · 15/12/2019 07:37

Most people want the opportunity to train yes...under the Tories i am borrowing 60,000 to train to be a radiographer...an NHS shortage job.
Under labour i would have got a bursary. There is a shortage of radiographers...now there will be more shortages. Gove said...people are fed up of experts...do you want a non expert doing your chest xray or operating on your heart?

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Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 07:42

To be fair OP. My brother went to uni and got a grant. 4 years later I didnt qualify for a grant but could borrow the money to go. In the end, I didnt go. That was labour.

The comments about being fed up with experts is stupid. Most people know they need experts in alot of situations

Marleyisme · 15/12/2019 07:48

Actually, I guess that's part of the problem. For every person screwed over by the tories, someone can say when they lost out because of the labour government.

Maybe people simply felt like they knew what they were getting with the Tories, but labour and JC were more of an unknown. People expect to be screwed by them too but just arent sure in which way that will happen.

A better the devil you know situation.

HouseworkAvoider10 · 15/12/2019 07:51

I agree.

The turkeys voted for xmas on Thursday.

To say the British, at least some of them, finally got the PM they deserve may be a valid statement.

Bluntness100 · 15/12/2019 08:00

do you want a non expert doing your chest xray or operating on your heart

What a silly passive aggressive question, and clearly Gove didn't mean people were fed up of experts opening their hearts. I mean if all the cringe things to write, this must be way up there op.

And as for the british public getting what they deserve, this is back to the old let's blame every one else. However you're partially right, because no deserves Corbyn and momentum in charge.

Fortunately when it comes to it, the british public en masse have common sense. Under estimating them is a fatal flaw.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 08:13

I think the core issue is that the Labour vote is more divided than the traditional Tory vote. It’s a lot easier for the Tories to communicate their message because it’s fundamentally simpler: lower immigration (Brexit being a cipher for border control), keep more of your earnings.

Labour have to convince the aspirational/affluent working class as well as the working poor, and many of those people want lower immigration and to keep more of their earnings.

I really don’t think it’s Corbyn’s fault that many people decided they didn’t want a more redistributive government.

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 08:24

Plus it wouldn’t surprise me if Brexit was cooked up between Gove, Cameron and Johnson precisely as a means to divide the working class vote and get as many people as possible over to the Tories. Cameron will be like a fly on a big shite in this government, mark my words!

jcurve · 15/12/2019 08:46

I really don’t think it’s Corbyn’s fault that many people decided they didn’t want a more redistributive government.

And that’s why Labour lost in a nutshell. You have to pitch to the electorate you have, not the electorate you wish you had.

Labour can do nothing to improve the country with the number of seats they’ve won. As I’ve said previously, they’ve let down the poorer members of society far more than the Tories ever have by making such a piss poor attempt to win this election.

Instead, Labour are running around proclaiming they’re just too progressive/evolved for the electorate and therefore it’s not their fault that voters didn’t recognise JC’s brilliance Hmm

Costacoffeeplease · 15/12/2019 08:47

How is it NOT Corbyn’s fault🙄

churchandstate · 15/12/2019 08:49

jcurve

I believe a person has to promote the ideas they think are right. It’s for the electorate to decide whose ideas they like the best, but people should fight for what they believe, not for what they believe will gain them power.

VashtaNerada · 15/12/2019 08:50

YANBU - I always have and always will have huge respect for the man. Gutted he never got to prove what a fantastic PM he would have been.

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