To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

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I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

Why bother spending years as a junior doctor and go through all the stress of being a surgeon if you could earn the same amount of money
doing something less stressful with more regular hours?

I get that argument. As I said above, I understand the Tory argument. Practically, I understand that a Socialist-style levelling of outcomes - however moral I believe it would be - wouldn’t work, because people wouldn’t be incentivised to do the hard work to get to surgical posts or to take the risk of working in a nuclear plant. I understand.

But some redistribution, enough so that the hard edges of inequality are rubbed off and everyone can enjoy a dignified standard of living, by think that isn’t too much to ask.

Apologies, I thought you said you voted Tory. Farage?

Nope. Since nigel Farage isnt my local MP how would I have voted for him anyway? I suspect you actually have no idea how voting, economics or society works. You vite for your local mp. You can choose to be influenced by who the leader is.

As it stands, I couldnt vote for Farage at all.

You are prime example of why people dont want JC.

I dont give a shit if you dont like me or my views.

What's a natural tory about my posts? That I wont work more and more hours simply to benefit other people? I will chose to spend time with the dependents I chose to have?

Quite funny coming from someone who thinks their personal circumstances arent applicable.

As I said, ideals are more important to you than people or real life. Quite sad really.

If you honestly think the Labour Party manifesto was suggesting a roughly equal rate of pay for all jobs, it's amazing they did as well as they did.

I don’t think that. But I think it was suggesting a significant redistribution. That’s what it means when people say it was too left-wing for them.

But some redistribution, enough so that the hard edges of inequality are rubbed off and everyone can enjoy a dignified standard of living, by think that isn’t too much to ask.

We already have that.

However, you have not been arguing that everyone should have a 'dignified' standard of living, you have been arguing for a roughly equal standard of living.

I suspect you actually have no idea how voting, economics or society works. You vite for your local mp. You can choose to be influenced by who the leader is.

What, do you think I live in an anchorite’s cell, or something? I am using “Farage” as a metonym for his party, just as we have been using Corbyn and Johnson. I didn’t vote for Corbyn either, by that rational.

What's a natural tory about my posts? That I wont work more and more hours simply to benefit other people?

Yes! That is the essential difference between a left wing, collectivist viewpoint and a right wing individualist viewpoint.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. My Nan is a good judge of character and she’s always said he’s an honest principled man and I totally agree.

If anyone watches South Park Bojo reminds me of Mr Garrison when he becomes president despite screaming at the general public that he’s a fucking arsehole. Bojo is a racist and a misogynist but the general public still voted for him. 62% of Tory voters were over 65 fwiw. If the boomers hadn’t voted, Labour would have had a landslide victory.

However, you have not been arguing that everyone should have a 'dignified' standard of living, you have been arguing for a roughly equal standard of living.

I argued that that was I thought was moral. That doesn’t mean that’s what I think is workable.

I argued that that was I thought was moral.

You argued that 10 million people who voted Labour share your views.

We already have that.

Tell that to the residents of Grenfell Tower.

You argued that 10 million people who voted Labour share your views.

To differing levels, they do. The manifesto was redistributive.

everyone can enjoy a dignified standard of living

What gives people dignity is work and purpose and fulfilment and the satisfaction of improving their lives and the lives of their dependents. Trying and doing better and making sure that your kids have it better than you did, based on your hard graft. Better opportunities are what’s needed, not “redistribution”.

Yes! That is the essential difference between a left wing, collectivist viewpoint and a right wing individualist viewpoint.

No its not.

And morally you think it would best to out my child in child care when it wasnt gaining me anything? Rather than spend time with him.

Personally, I fucking love Jeremy Corbyn.

But then I am a Tory

What gives people dignity is work and purpose and fulfilment and the satisfaction of improving their lives and the lives of their dependents.

Arbeit macht frei? That’s what some people would have us believe. I don’t believe that.

No its not.

Then you need to brush up on your Socialist/right-wing knowledge, because of course, it is.

To differing levels, they do. The manifesto was redistributive.

I think you would struggle to find a manifesto of any political party that isn't redistributive at some level. You are still advocating redistribution at a level that isn't endorsed by any main stream party.

You are still advocating redistribution at a level that isn't endorsed by any main stream party.

Then I am. I can’t help what I believe.

macht frei? That’s what some people would have us believe. I don’t believe that.

Er, beg pardon?

Have you ever actually had a job, churchandstate?

Have you ever actually had a job, churchandstate?

😂 Apart from the last few months (SAHP) I haven’t been unemployed since I was 15.

62% of Tory voters are over 65.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
What an absolute made up statement

Well i agree that work gives people dignity so why are there fewer jobs under the Tories and why are they now zero hour contracts?
The very bame Labour means work or for the working class.
The fact is we have an outmoded class sysyem but it makes the pampered midfle very happy so they vote Tory.
I was on a zero hour contract as a teacher so im retraining to do a more stable career...in an Allwid health profession. However, they have got rid of the bursary so i will be in debt...sigh.
Perhaps i will take in some ironing.

Then I am. I can’t help what I believe.

No you can't, and that is fine, but from what you have written you are supporting the wrong party.

No you can't, and that is fine, but from what you have written you are supporting the wrong party.

Well, unfortunately Lenin’s Bolsheviks mostly died untimely deaths, so I’ll have to make do. 😂

Seats won by labour leaders:

1983 Foot 209
1987 Kinnock 229
1992 Kinnock 271
1997 Blair 419
2001 Blair 413
2005 Blair 356
2010 Brown 258
2015 Miliband 232
2017 Corbyn 262
2019 Corbyn 203

Love ya, Jezza!

YANBU. You can like who you want. I'm not going to call you thick, stupid, or any of the many insults currently being fired at Conservative voters.