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To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

758 replies

malificent7 · 14/12/2019 06:59

I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

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churchandstate · 14/12/2019 14:46

noblegiraffe

No, you seem to be equating me saying I think left wing policies are more virtuous with me saying people who voted Tory are bad people. I didn’t say that and I don’t think it.

AlexanderHalexander · 14/12/2019 14:47

I want left wing policies.

Oh well then. I guess that's the most important thing, you voting for your exact preference.

Enjoy the next 5 years.

noblegiraffe · 14/12/2019 14:47

Not bad people church, just less virtuous.

Do you not see how completely patronising that is?

Merename · 14/12/2019 14:48

People didn't vote for labour because they didn't want him and momentum not because they're callous, evil or stupid.

But the other option has led to such harm and I dread the extent of harm that is yet to come - I really cannot understand how someone can make that choice based on not liking Jeremy. What about the policies? I think at the least, it is callous to vote Tory simply because you don’t like Corbyn. If Tory ideologies reflect your values, fine - I disagree with them, but that would be a more understandable reason to vote for them.

Whizbang · 14/12/2019 14:49

YABU. He’s an appalling, stubborn, blinkered old dinosaur who is the reason that labour lost. If momentum et al continue to stick their heads in the sand and retain this failure of a party leader and associated sycophantic top team, they will remain in the political wilderness for decades. Deservedly so.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 14:49

Marleyisme

But saying something isn’t demonstrably possible isn’t the same as saying it is impossible. I accept that more costing out of the Labour manifesto was needed. I accept that some of it may not have been immediately achievable. Perhaps elements of it wouldn’t have been manageable at all. But I have yet to be convinced of that, and for the most part, think the people shouting the loudest about how those policies are ‘impossible’ just don’t want them.

SeaWitchly · 14/12/2019 14:49

I think JC is a true visionary and that history will be much kinder to him than the current crop of politicians and commentators picking over his bones like a pack of vultures.
I am gutted that we now have lazy, self serving Boris and entitled Rees-Moggs in charge Angry

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 14:51

noblegiraffe

Not at all. We all vote for what we think is right. If you find the word ‘virtuous’ patronising it’s probably because to you it comes loaded with the idea of self-righteousness, but I haven’t used it like that at all. I just think the left wing has the more moral argument, and if I didn’t think that I wouldn’t be left-wing, so there’s no point criticising me for thinking the right wing isn’t as virtuous - I just do.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 14:51

Oh well then. I guess that's the most important thing, you voting for your exact preference.

I had this vague idea that that was what democracy was for...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/12/2019 14:54

It was such a solid defeat that I thought that there’d be no question as to the change needed
It’s strange to find the left threads and posts on here so deaf to it

Strange, yes - but also downright worrying. I've never been keen on large majorities for any party, so leaving aside the next election for a moment, what we need now is strong and effective opposition

And right now we don't even have that Hmm

Superfoodie123 · 14/12/2019 14:54

Hes an incredible person and leader. A leader that actually has morals and respect for the different cultures and people in this country and wanted to do right by everyone.

So sad that so many people talk so badly about him when the other side of the coin is the openly racist, sexist, silver spooned, narcissist toff Bozza.

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 14:56

Puzzled I completely agree, without change Labour most likely crumbles into obscurity and there is no threat of opposition. I find that extremely worrying.

AmateurSwami · 14/12/2019 14:56

@merrymouse. Yes, my asking for an explanation was me subtly suggesting that I needed you to elaborate on your moot point, congrats on picking up on that.

I feel that you genuinely believe you’ve delivered an eloquent rebuttal to what I said there, so I hope that makes your day a bit better 👍🏽

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 14:57

But saying something isn’t demonstrably possible isn’t the same as saying it is impossible.
You cant make a business plan on that. 'I can demonstrate it will work...but it will...trust me'

It might as well be impossible to the people you are trus g ro gain interest from.

People are saying it wasnt possible. Because it's not possible.

Do you really think, ex labour voters would have gone tory if the plan was spindle and probable? Or even anywhere near demonstrable.

All the shit about 4 day weeks and free broad band, were bollocks. They knew, we knew, everyone knew.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 14:59

You cant make a business plan on that. 'I can demonstrate it will work...but it will...trust me'

Everyone else did. None of the manifestos were brilliantly specific.

And I think a 4 day week is doable, in the long term. I don’t see why not.

noblegiraffe · 14/12/2019 15:01

church it’s thinking that the left is self-evidently more moral and virtuous that leads to total election failure. Because it totally misunderstands where the other people are coming from.

noblegiraffe · 14/12/2019 15:03

And I think a 4 day week is doable, in the long term. I don’t see why not.

Do the kids get a 4 day week too, or do they only have a teacher for 80% of the time?

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 15:04

noblegiraffe

I don’t think it’s self-evidently more virtuous. But after a lot of thought, I think it’s more virtuous.

Who did you vote for? Do you not believe the policies of whoever you voted for to be more virtuous? And if you don’t, why the heck are you voting for them?!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/12/2019 15:04

Hes an incredible person and leader. A leader that actually has morals and respect for the different cultures and people in this country and wanted to do right by everyone

So although it's all a bit late now, I'll ask again the question I've asked repeatedly (and which nobody ever answered)

If Corbyn's such a paragon, why did no Labour leader ever see fit to give him a cabinet post throughout nearly four decades in parliament?

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 15:07

Do the kids get a 4 day week too, or do they only have a teacher for 80% of the time?

I’d support a 4 day week in education.

aquashiv · 14/12/2019 15:08

I agree. I think he might well have an admiral stance but it doesn't work in the society we have created partly due to how our economy is structured. I liked reading about his sons. We need new fresh blood.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 15:08

Noble

And I don’t misunderstand where others are coming from at all. I have a pretty good grasp of the other positions. I just don’t agree with them, all things considered.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 15:11

If Corbyn's such a paragon, why did no Labour leader ever see fit to give him a cabinet post throughout nearly four decades in parliament?

Maybe he didn’t want one?

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 15:14

Everyone else did. None of the manifestos were brilliantly specific.

Everyone else wasnt promising to end all the countries problems.

A 4 day week on same pay? You dont see how that wouldnt work for lots of business or even the fact that he couldnt impose that on companies?

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 15:15

A 4 day week on same pay? You dont see how that wouldnt work for lots of business or even the fact that he couldnt impose that on companies?

Of course you can impose it. I don’t understand why you don’t seem to know what laws are. And I am not saying it would work brilliantly for all businesses. That would have to be worked out.