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To still like Jeremy Corbyn?

758 replies

malificent7 · 14/12/2019 06:59

I think it's right that he stepped down as the public clearly didn't get him...hated him even but i think he stands for the good in society. I actually think he is correctvto call out Israel for being bastards to Palestine and whilst ge apparently supports terroism ( ira), i think he is a negotiator ...the UK shafted Ireland hugely and the IRA is a consequence of that. We need people to negotiate with them.
I slso think remaining neutral on Brexit was the right thing to do but respecting the will of the people.

I don't hate Boris but he has got away with a lot. He has said many racist slurs, he hates women, he has multiple illegitimate children yet blames women, he switched sides re Brexit, oh and he's happy to trade with people like Saudi Arabia who have awful human rights. But apparently Jeremy is the bad one.

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AmateurSwami · 14/12/2019 12:02

He doesn't speak for the north or genuine working class people.

Whereas Boris.... 😂😂😂😂

WoodliceInSunderland · 14/12/2019 12:04

YABVU but you are entitled to your opinion.

AiryFairyMum · 14/12/2019 12:04

I agree. He has been brilliant. If he'd followed his own instincts and said he was pro Brexit I think they'd have won.

AmateurSwami · 14/12/2019 12:07

free stuff always comes at a price

Indeed, so tax evasion by billionaires and businesses comes from who, then?

merrymouse · 14/12/2019 12:12

I love Jeremy corbyn and to this day don’t understand the issue with him. He’s not anti semetic, but the fact that people use that as a reason to not vote for him, but then vote for BJ who has said outwardly racist and anti semetic things just leads me to believe that people do whatever the media tells them to, and that most people, at their core, are racist.

The main things that strikes me about this post are the lack of concern for people who feel so worried about anti-semitism in the Labour Party, and the willingness to absolve Corbyn of all responsibility as party leader.

AmateurSwami · 14/12/2019 12:24

@merrymouse can you elaborate? What you’re saying seems to relate with your own internal narrative.
It’s like I’ve said “ 1+1=2” and you’ve said “The main thing that strikes me about this is you’ve not mentioned purple”

Nat6999 · 14/12/2019 12:27

I like Jeremy Corbyn, he is a principled man who stands by his principle of caring for the less well off, the sick, the disabled, the ordinary working man, the homeless. This country has been damaged by Brexit which was brought up by the Conservatives. If David Cameron had never offered the referendum, we would have been waking up to a very different country now. Corbyn's neutral stance on Brexit was the right thing to do, he was offering a proper choice instead of Boris's brainwashing which unfortunately has worked, now nobody will have any choice on how we leave, it will be a hard Brexit which will damage this country for years to come. The only saving grace is that whenever Labour have had disastrous election results like this in the past, the next election they have won by a landslide, hopefully we can survive the next term until there is another election. I hope that Keir Starmer is elected leader, he is strong enough to stand up against the Tories, who I still think may have MP's that don't fully support Boris's policies & could turn against him.

Happinessinapeartree · 14/12/2019 12:30

He's so principled he gifted the tories another 10 years in power.

Absolutely deluded.

I'm off to the SNP. Labour used to own Scotland, remember? 50 seats guaranteed.

So, it's not just Boris/Tories.

AmateurSwami · 14/12/2019 12:30

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/11/boris-johnsons-record-of-bigotry-antisemitism-and-far-right-politics-must-not-be-forgotten

If you were worried about anti semitism you wouldn’t have voted for Trump 2.0, so that’s not it.

Happinessinapeartree · 14/12/2019 12:32

Meanwhile, in the real world. Scotland and the North have abandoned Labour.

LizB62A · 14/12/2019 12:37

I actually think he's just too nice for politics

noblegiraffe · 14/12/2019 12:39

People didn’t vote for a manifesto that offered them cheaper train fares, a pay rise, a 4 day working week, free broadband, free school lunches etc etc etc.

Why do you think that is?

Bluntness100 · 14/12/2019 12:41

How has he been "brilliant"? He failed to mount an effective oppositin, he handed Boris a landslide victory, he turned millions of voters from the labour heart lands tory for the first time in their lives, or even generations of their families, he couldn't even beat Teresa May, who was possibly the worst election campaigner in history. Large chunks of his own back benches hate him, he can't even command them.

What's brilliant about it? Genuinely, what's brilliant about his performance?

Happinessinapeartree · 14/12/2019 12:51

Too nice for politics? What's nice about liking anti Semitic murals, or chumming up with terrorists who hate and bomb this country?

You really think people think he's nice?

Demented.

penberrh · 14/12/2019 13:28

I completely agree with thoughtlessinengland, except for the tories being master strategists. They weren’t, they were liars, but the public believed them because a three word slogan sticks more easily than the complicated reality.

LizB62A · 14/12/2019 13:42

@Happinessinapeartree Feel free to believe everything you read. Politics is a dirty business and there are a lot of lies.
Some Jewish people have said he isn't anti-semitic.

I'll keep the moral high ground thanks and not insult you the way you insulted me

Thoughtlessinengland · 14/12/2019 14:03

but the public believed them because a three word slogan sticks more easily than the complicated reality.

Precisely. And THAT was their strategy. They read the room, sussed out what people would buy at this particular point in history and gave it to them on a plate. That was strategy - not coincidence. And at this historic moment with such historic trans generational consequence we needed similar level of shrewd coolheaded thinking from the opposition - this particular electoral moment was simply not the time to cause an ideological revolution. It backfired entirely.

j712adrian · 14/12/2019 14:06

JC.

Principles are useless without power. They're just fine talk.

noblegiraffe · 14/12/2019 14:07

People keep going on about what a great campaigner Corbyn is. So why was this one so shit?

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 14:09

Principles are useless without power. They're just fine talk.

And unfortunately power is easier obtain without principles - hence Boris.

Anyway, they have to govern now. Let’s await the sex scandals and the covert racism and the indolence, and see where we are in 18 months.

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 14:13

I respect your view but it’s a right wing view. I’m not sure what you want from me.

Fucking hell. Wanting a party that is left AND has a good plan AND can attract voters is right wing?

Or is, pointing out the many priviledges that JC had, that he wants remove from people, right wing?

I suggest you dont know what you are talking about.

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 14:16

Wanting a party that is left AND has a good plan AND can attract voters is right wing

You don’t want a left wing party. You want a party with right wing principles that you can vote for and call yourself left wing.

Marleyisme · 14/12/2019 14:20

You don’t want a left wing party. You want a party with right wing principles that you can vote for and call yourself left wing.

No I want a left wing party that has a plan.

4 day week, promised? Anyone can see that bollocks.

Free broadband? Again bollocks.

You can be left wing and have a good plan.

Tour plan HAD to be based on whata happening now. You can be left wing and say 'we would like give all the wasps women their money back, but at the moment that cant happen because....maths so we are going to xyz'.

What you are saying is that left wing policies can never attract voters because their manifestos can never be anything but a list of ideals that will never work.

Is that really what you think of policies from the left?

churchandstate · 14/12/2019 14:23

*What you are saying is that left wing policies can never attract voters because their manifestos can never be anything but a list of ideals that will never work.

Is that really what you think of policies from the left?*

It’s your contention that those policies were unworkable, not mine. Confused

AlexanderHalexander · 14/12/2019 14:23

Well, I think the UK has resoundingly rejected a very left wing goverment.

It seems like if we want to get rid of a right wing government, we need a centrist party to step forward.

FYI someone who is centrist is not right wing just because they are not as left as you. They are centrist, it's in the name.

Left wing does not equal good, virtuous etc. A lot of the very left wing people I know are absolute cunts, misogynist, selfish, hypocritical. Adopting a 'socialist' persona doesn't absolve you of any blame in any argument.