To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

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The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

Morning Star
@MStarOnline

Far from an unprecedented defeat, the election was a historic endorsement of socialism by millions — so of course it was thwarted by a rigged system

You really can't help the folk who produce something like that, Cendrillon. We all have our different views, but at least most folk are reasonable - unlike the copywriters of that particular rag

@TheBlueStocking

     "And ten million Labour voters"

And that in a nutshell is it.

Of the (approx) 26M people who voted, approx 16M did not vote for Labour.

In general, there were 14M votes for the Conservatives, 2M (approx.) for the Lib dems and 1.2M for the SNP. Around 10M voted Labour, a drop of 2.5M

Until Labour can actually GET more votes, as I have maintained, they will just be an enabling party for the Conservatives.

As to how they do that, one of the consistent points (that you "have not seen with your own eyes", thus cannot be belived) is the unpopularity of the current leadership.

Whatever Labour do, it MUST attract those middle ground voters, or they will never be in power

Whatever Labour do, it MUST attract those middle ground voters, or they will never be in power

And unfortunately, those attempts will continue to be undermined by the right wing press.

Blue as a teacher do you think philosophy or critical thinking or politics should be mandatory subjects at school?

I don't teach in a school so I don't have any insight into whether they are or not already, so I'm not in a position to answer.

That’s first past the post though isn’t it - SNP is claiming an Indy mandate, the 55 percent of people that didn’t vote SNP in the election doesn’t count as the SNP swept the seats. The other parties up here own that loss so why can’t Corbyn?

Labour really should be looking at the SNP because they have won massively against the same media problems and have had decidedly more pro small and large business rhetoric and none of the attacks on wealth that haven’t gone over well.

I was reading a bit online by the PM where he said
"Let’s hear it first for the thousands of activists — of all parties — who have just allowed our democracy to function."

One of the things I do like about him, even though he is a politician and so not trusted, is that he offers a path away from the bleakly unintelligent, mean-spirited, mocking political discourse we have all seen take root in... some spheres in the last few years. He is able to express the odd positive idea that is fair and doesn't involve blaming someone else for something.

This is like a breath of fresh air, even if I wonder how it will be when the honeymoon is over and he actually faces having to please everyone as he would clearly like to do.

They need time to elect a GOOD leader nothing wrong with him staying on until the leader is elected

This is like a breath of fresh air, even if I wonder how it will be when the honeymoon is over and he actually faces having to please everyone as he would clearly like to do

You realise he's going to renege on every single thing he's promised, don't you?

Was it only such a short time ago for you that he promised to get down in a ditch and die if brexit was not completed by 31st October?

That was a fantasy, as is this.

You realise he's going to renege on every single thing he's promised, don't you?

Yep, never fear on that score.

After the last few years I think pretty much everybody who isn't a total idiot has become used to how our political class is.

Boris has won by being the only viable, or least intolerable choice for a lot of people. It would be nice to imagine him being as fantastic as his effusive words and expansive promises make him sound, but nobody is holding their breath.

Power has gone to Johnson's head already. Now there will be no restraints on his tendency to act with contempt.

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'Boris Johnson slammed for playing with mobile phone in Commons as SNP raise Scotland's future'

“The SNP Westminster leader chastised Johnson, warning: "Can I say to the Prime Minister, it is not a good look to see him playing with his phone rather than listening to the demands of the Scottish National Party."

"Well say something more interesting," the PM replied, before putting his phone back in his pocket.'

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www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-slammed-playing-mobile-21130341?fbclid=IwAR2CxDXaNJfnW0Zh0d15URAQNIxnxFaAoR_JJn7m4ymTK9W7a0f-aPKbjOw

Well say something more interesting," the PM replied, before putting his phone back in his pocket

people voted for this??

The SNP MPs have no real role in Westminster but to talk, and to vote for Labour policies affecting others in Great Britain (often on things where the the very opposite is done for their own constituents). If they had any sense of decency at all they would vote the same for the rest of the UK as Scotland or not at all, but nvm.

Everybody knows this, and that's why you see MPs from other parties sighing when they do hour-long speeches.

The Daily Politik commenting on what the Tories pledged and what the Tories have done, already:

'The ‘blue-collar’ Conservative Party

• Reneging on the pledge to bring in a £10.50 minimum wage

• Making teachers responsible for fixing knife crime on top of teaching

over-sized classes

• Raising council tax to still under-fund social care

• Not employing enough doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters

• Curtailing the right to strike

• Removing the pledge to honour the retention of workers rights in the

EU withdrawal agreement

• Introducing compulsory voter ID

• Making it harder for disabled people who are not fit for work'

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Everybody knows this, and that's why you see MPs from other parties sighing when they do hour-long speeches

Do you think it would go down well if you got your phone out at work meetings and told everyone you thought it wasn't interesting enough for you to listen to?

It's unbelievable.

and still he stays on with the immediate shadow cabinet

There will be a leadership contest. Honestly what difference does it make if he stands down. John Mc would step in and people who don't like Corbyn probably don't like Mc either. Just relax folks and let it play out over next couple of months.

A former Tory PM John Major, former Tory Deputy PM Michael Hesletine, and former Tory Party stalwart and Chancellor Ken Clarke turned their backs on the Party they had served for decades, urging voters to not vote Tory because of Johnson's extremist government .....

Now the likes of Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins and former BNP Councillor and current leader of the extreme right wing Britain First rushed to join the Tory party. However many members and followers of Britain First join the Tories, they clearly feel emboldened by their perception that Johnson's government represents them and their politics.

*Do you think it would go down well if you got your phone out at work meetings and told everyone you thought it wasn't interesting enough for you to listen to?

It's unbelievable.*

I'll put it this way, we do have people who waffle on in meetings with people who have 200x more stuff to do than them, but I would never visibly be reading emails and so on while they talk about their budgies, and certainly do not miss anything work-related.

Boris was being extremely passive-aggressive. I won't pretend I wasn't amused but yes, you have a point.

Now the likes of Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins and former BNP Councillor and current leader of the extreme right wing Britain First rushed to join the Tory party.

Emotions have run high for us all over this election, for my part in that I am sorry but I think... let's start not doing that thing.

People who have voted for Boris are no more far right than people who have voted for Corbyn are chummy with Iran. We're all humans doing our best to do the right thing, and we must each make up our own minds how we do that. There is no need for this totalitarian stuff.

For what it's worth, Heseltine has never, ever been a Tory in the eyes of most of the party, Clarke is driven by fierce Europhilia and Major has numerous problems with the current party and his own questionable background, none of these people were ever going to be aligned with an electable Conservative government right now, let alone one which might even contain a few people who are not CINO/LINO like Cameron, May etc.

Now the likes of Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins and former BNP Councillor and current leader of the extreme right wing Britain First rushed to join the Tory party.

It is a fact. Are you saying it should not be stated.

Reuters: 'Exclusive: The Brits who won't Brexit'
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'Cyprus government documents seen by Reuters show that Conservative Party donors have sought citizenship of the island, an EU member state, since Britain voted to leave the bloc in 2016.

They include billionaire Alan Howard, one of Britain’s best-known hedge fund managers, and Jeremy Isaacs, the former head of Lehman Brothers for Europe, the Middle East and Asia. Cyprus’ interior ministry recommended that both men’s applications be approved, the government documents show.

'..That some Brits who made a career out of assessing risk have applied for second passports may suggest sagging confidence in Britain’s economy after it leaves the EU. A broker who makes his living handling such passports says he’s seen a surge of enquiries from Brits looking for ways to keep their European Union citizenship.

“Brexit is the only factor driving this,” says Paul Williams, chief executive of passport brokerage La Vida Golden Visas. The right to live, work, study or set up business anywhere in Europe, says Williams, “that all changes with Brexit.”

www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-conservative-donors-exclus/exclusive-the-brits-who-wont-brexit-idUSKBN1YN191

Boris was being extremely passive-aggressive. I won't pretend I wasn't amused but yes, you have a point

I personally find Boris Johnson very amusing. I thought he was hilarious when he was giving out cups of tea to journalists and pretending he paints buses on crates as a hobby. I won't say I wasn't glad when he wasn't chosen over that shoelace Jeremy Hunt. But he needs to try a bit harder to play PM.

I miss John Bercow.

Charlottespleb good point.