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To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

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Bearbehind · 13/12/2019 19:19

The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

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CharlottesPleb · 19/12/2019 10:02

It's just the way you're posting is very much how I might imagine her posting. Once again,she is a lovely person apart from the Corbyn thing, so not meant as horrid.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 10:08

It's not really an effective way of canvassing to start off by saying, do you like Jeremy Corbyn or don't you? And then glare at them like a psychopath unless they give you the right answer.

You ask people how they are planning to vote and then calmly discuss it from there.

CharlottesPleb · 19/12/2019 10:11

I was asking because it would explain how you haven't met anyone who doesn't like Jeremy Corbyn, despite going out and discussing votes with people.

Did you meet many people who saw respecting the referendum as a total deal breaker?

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 10:17

Possibly it might make more sense if I explain that when you are canvassing, you go to the places where you know people have expressed an interest in voting Labour, now or in the past.

You have more discussions about the logistics around how they'll get to the poling station than anything else. So some people might need to know where it is or we'll take their phone number so we can offer a lift or someone to escort them if they're nervous.

But out of all of the Labour supporters we spoke to, the issue of Jeremy Corbyn was raised by them, with all but one person telling me they didn't like him.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 10:19

All but one person saying they did like him, that should be. I heard a lot of positive things about him. There was a real sense of hope amongst people, which is why I think a lot of them are so devastated now.

CharlottesPleb · 19/12/2019 10:28

Right I gathered that was a typo.

I have an idea of how it works and how parties (and types of member) differ in their approaches.

I mean you should be occasionally getting turned away at the doorstep because of your current leader at the best of times, so given that in this election you had quite a lot of people who saw electing Corbyn as unthinkable it is odd you didn't.

I would think the good old momentum "Party Atmosphere" in combination with the Shy Tory effect could account for this happening less often than you'd expect, but almost none? Very strange.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 10:33

I can only tell you what I saw. People either didn't answer the door or they came to chat with us.

I don't know if you are really appreciating the percentage of the voting public who voted Labour or other parties. It's more than fifty percent. I'm not surprised that the Labour supporters we met wanted to vote Labour, frankly.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/12/2019 10:46

One basic fact:- Labour have lost (twice now)

Four times actually, if you include Brown and Miliband - but yes, it's twice under Corbyn

The thread's an education in terms of the sheer blinkered nature of some supporters, though. Naturally everyone's entitled to their own view, but it just doesn't seem to be sinking in that not enough voters want them and the reasons for that simply aren't being listened to

Still, it's their choice ... I just wish I could have confidence that we're not going to see a re-run of the whole thing come 2024

derxa · 19/12/2019 10:51

And yes, I will rely on the information I've seen, such as people chanting that they love Jeremy Corbyn, or the man who grabbed me by my arms and said with a beaming smile that he and his entire family were very keen to vote for Corbyn. Sadly for you they were in the minority.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 19/12/2019 10:56

What does it take for Corbyn supporters to accept he has utterly failed them

The worse Labour defeat since 1935

And still he is trying to keep control of the party so it stays with his failed outlook - do you really think he cares as much about the public as he does about keeping the Labour Party to the left to fit in with his ideas no he obviously doesn’t if he did he would accept it wasn’t working

But what do we hear the party has the largest membership- well let’s hope it doubles with old Labour supporters returning to vote in a more centre left leader and one that has a respectable history

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 11:21

What does it take for Corbyn supporters to accept he has utterly failed them

What does it take for Tory voters to see the havoc wreaked on this country during their time in government? That is what is absolutely beyond me.

Do none of you see the homeless people lining the high streets? Have none of you or your family used the NHS? Have none of you experienced a crime and seen the savage effect on the justice system e.g. legal aid removed, police officers made redundant?

It's just bizarre that you either didn't see that or thought yep, this is fine.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 11:23

You've voted in a government that introduced targets for the CPS that have ended up lowering the number of successful convictions for rape. It's just mind blowing that you thought that was fine.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/12/2019 11:35

What does it take for Corbyn supporters to accept he has utterly failed them

As mentioned, yet another defeat in 2024 perhaps? Granted 5 years is a long time if it goes that far, but a majority of 80 isn't easy to overturn even for a well run party, and Labour are hardly covering themselves with glory so far

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/12/2019 11:42

Do none of you see the homeless people lining the high streets?
Yes, and it's easy to see that the reasons are many and complex

Have none of you or your family used the NHS?
Sadly, quite often - and except in one case the care has been superb

Have none of you experienced a crime
Indeed; quite a serious one unfortunately, and the service has been prompt, caring and utterly professional at all times

Sorry to disappoint you ...

koshkat · 19/12/2019 11:57

I met one person who said they didn't like him, as I've already said. And I'm not convinced he was every sandwich in the picnic, to be honest.

So anyone who does not worship at the Corbyn altar is thick, racist and now mad too?

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 11:59

@Puzzledandpissedoff

So the huge increase in food banks you haven't noticed? Don't you find that weird, if people aren't in poverty? Don't you find it weird that we're hearing that nurses are having to use food banks because they can't afford to make ends meet? Or is everything just hunky dory as far as you are concerned?

What do you make of the UN report on Universal Credit pushing people into unacceptable and inhumane levels of poverty? Is that just a load of nonsense?

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 12:02

So anyone who does not worship at the Corbyn altar is thick, racist and now mad too?

No. That's some hyperbole you've summoned up. I was quite clearly referring specifically to one person.

koshkat · 19/12/2019 12:02

And you felt very comfortable implying that this person had mental health problems. Nice.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 12:05

Yes, because he was swaying in the doorway in his dressing gown waxing lyrical about how it's really not that bad to be homeless. Sorry, I got the impression he wasn't entirely with it. Nothing to do with who he wanted to vote for.

koshkat · 19/12/2019 12:09

Your contempt for anyone who does not think as you do/believe what you do is palpable.

Not really something I would be all that proud of tbf but each to their own.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/12/2019 12:10

So the huge increase in food banks you haven't noticed?

It would be surprising if I hadn't, since I used to volunteer at one. Unfortunately it had to close down because of the colossal scale of abuse - an abuse which reports suggest is replicated elsewhere

The mess around Universal Credit I do agree about; they've made a total hash of it just as government departments so often do, at least in the early stages of a scheme. However this doesn't necessarily mean the principle's a poor one

Alsohuman · 19/12/2019 12:10

I’ve voted Labour at every election since I was eligible to vote. This time and last I had to hold my nose because of Corbyn and his acolytes. Yes I live in the same world as you @TheBlueStocking but, thanks to Corbyn, we’ve now lost another five years to do something about it.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 12:17

*Your contempt for anyone who does not think as you do/believe what you do is palpable.

Not really something I would be all that proud of tbf but each to their own*

I'm sure you think the old man who doesn't get dressed all day and rantingly reminisces about his days on the street is perfectly sane, despite it being a statistical likelihood that, as a homeless person, he would have experienced a mental health issue. But having met him, I didn't get that impression.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 12:21

they've made a total hash of it

As is their wont.

koshkat · 19/12/2019 12:24

So you ridicule him on social media. As I said, not something I would be proud of...

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