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To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

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Bearbehind · 13/12/2019 19:19

The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

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Justanotherlurker · 19/12/2019 12:26

What do you make of the UN report on Universal Credit pushing people into unacceptable and inhumane levels of poverty? Is that just a load of nonsense?

It was about the initial implementation, not about Universal Credit itself, which believe it or not carried cross party support.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 19/12/2019 12:28

TheBlueStocking

I am not a Tory

Hopefully Labour shall be a party I feel are worthy of my vote by the next election

And the thread is about Corbyn - Corbyn and Co and Momentum have let you down, They were very aware that many people could not vote for Corbyn and he would not win an election. They never even expected to win this election just hoped their might be a hung parliament Hmm then what will they have done form a coalition with centre parties that was never going to happen

And their continuing with their failed programme to keep control of the party they shall continue to fail you, myself and millions of others

If you truly want change then you have to accept this project failed and look to working towards an electable Labour Party that means left of the party step back

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 12:31

So you ridicule him on social media. As I said, not something I would be proud of

I've factually described his demeanour and manner of speaking, when pressed. I am not ridiculing him. I spent some time with him calmly talking through his views.

TheCraneWife · 19/12/2019 12:33

And you felt very comfortable implying that this person had mental health problems. Nice

Yes, I noticed and cringed at the comment about the only non Corbyn fan Bluestocking had ever met being "a sandwich short of a picnic"

And of course was after her sneering comment about "Doris at the bingo".

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 12:40

I didn't use those exact words. I didn't call him a loony or mental case. I said I wasn't sure he was every sandwich in the picnic, which was not meant derisively, but as a mild way of saying I doubted his faculties. I was then accused of inventing him, meaning I had to go into a more detailed description. I was perfectly polite to him in person and he thanked me for taking the time to speak to him.

I spend quite a lot of time campaigning and fundraising for the homeless, so I don't appreciate being made out to be some kind of homeless basher. Unfortunately, I feel that his life has led him to process his experience in an unfortunate way, namely considering that being on the street is actually a good thing.

TheCraneWife · 19/12/2019 12:42

I've factually described his demeanour and manner of speaking, when pressed. I am not ridiculing him. I spent some time with him calmly talking through his views

If you are referring to the only non Corbyn fan you met you described him as a "sandwich short of a picnic".

That's not describing anyone "factually". It's bloody rude and dismissive.

TheCraneWife · 19/12/2019 12:44

I said I wasn't sure he was every sandwich in the picnic, which was not meant derisively, but as a mild way of saying I doubted his faculties

Oh come off it. It's rude, patronising and dismissive.

koshkat · 19/12/2019 12:45

I said I wasn't sure he was every sandwich in the picnic, which was not meant derisively, but as a mild way of saying I doubted his faculties.

So you used a colloquial term for labelling a person with mental health issues and you think that this is ok? For an elderly man who did not support your political views and had the temerity to say so? And he was the only person you have met who was not a Corbyn fan?

You are really quite something Blue. And not in a good way.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 12:46

I have already gone to great lengths to explain that my opinion of his mental state had nothing to do with his views on Jeremy Corbyn. If you want to ignore that, that's your choice.

tallulahwullah · 19/12/2019 12:48

He is holding labour back pathetically clinging onto power, not accepting the reasons blaming social media totally deluded!
Now is when government needs strong opposition!

koshkat · 19/12/2019 12:54

You are dissembling Blue.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 12:56

@koshkat

That's your prerogative if you want to think that. I've already explained my position.

jewel1968 · 19/12/2019 13:10

If I understand it correctly some traditional Labour voters held their nose and voted Tory as they felt this was the most powerful way to send a message to Corbyn etc . . that they did not like his brand of politics. A sort of lesser of two evils approach. And to some extent I can understand this approach but for some reason the same response didn't occur with the Iraq war. I remember some very upset Labour voters who held their nose and voted Labour or could not bring themselves to vote at all. And it seems like a long time ago now but there was a very strong feeling against Labour for Iraq.

I think one of the problems with the lesser evil approach is you might find out that it wasn't the lesser evil after all but we will find out soon enough.

I do also understand the issue about respecting democracy (ref) too. But as I keep saying the shift from respecting the results of the ref to a second ref was a party decision and not the leaders decision. And while I can understand it was always going to be difficult to sell as it looked undemocratic and would not land well with people i do think it was a case of damned if you do damned if you don't.

This will play out over the next year or so and it will be interesting to revisit this in about 18mths to see if people still stand by their take on which was the lesser evil.

TheCraneWife · 19/12/2019 13:10

TheBlueStocking
I have already gone to great lengths to explain that my opinion of his mental state had nothing to do with his views on Jeremy Corbyn. If you want to ignore that, that's your choice

You are dissembling and backtracking. You specifically questioned the mental faculties of the only non Corbyn fan you met. Why even make the "sandwich" comment at all? It was made in the post where you claimed the only non Corbyn fan had problems.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 13:17

You are dissembling and backtracking. You specifically questioned the mental faculties of the only non Corbyn fan you met. Why even make the "sandwich" comment at all? It was made in the post where you claimed the only non Corbyn fan had problems

Obviously because I wasn’t confident he was making sound judgements. I have specifically stated that I do not believe people who don't like Corbyn are automatically 'mad'. If you want to draw that conclusion, you're doing so in spite of my telling you it is incorrect.

TheCraneWife · 19/12/2019 13:26

You brought it up to discredit the opinion of this voter. You are backtracking as it shows you up as not being the saintly person you are trying to make out you are.

CendrillonSings · 19/12/2019 13:27

Obviously because I wasn’t confident he was making sound judgements. I have specifically stated that I do not believe people who don't like Corbyn are automatically 'mad'.

How generous of you! Grin

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 13:39

You brought it up to discredit the opinion of this voter

Agreed. I don't think he was making sound judgements. I don't think he's a bad or horrible person. He's clearly had a very hard life and I feel sorry for him. But I'm not going to accept his opinions as reasonable when he makes other outrageous claims with them.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/12/2019 14:02

If you truly want change then you have to accept this project failed and look to working towards an electable Labour Party that means left of the party step back

Yes, that seems about the size of it. If enough folk won't vote for a pretty left wing socialist programme then they won't, and shouting about it and slinging the kind of insults we saw after the results isn't going to make any difference

I genuinely do hope that Labour can re-form themselves into something more electable - or at least that they can offer an effective opposition in the meantime

WhatdoImean · 19/12/2019 14:05

@TheBlue....

You DO realise how this sounds, don't you? In effect, by saying you had no issues with JC on the door step, everyone liking him, except one person who had issues, you have implied "Everyone likes JC, except those with Mental Health issues"

Do you actually stop and listen or think before making statements like that? Seriously, perhaps I am misreading it, but that is how it looks to me....

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 14:09

you have implied "Everyone likes JC, except those with Mental Health issues

If you think specifically stating the opposite implies that, then I really don't know how to help you.

He didn't fit the legal definition of 'a reasonable man', in my view. I do consider that relevant.

CendrillonSings · 19/12/2019 14:11

He didn't fit the legal definition of 'a reasonable man', in my view. I do consider that relevant.

And yet he was infinitely more in touch with public opinion than either you or St. Jeremy himself were! Grin

Justanotherlurker · 19/12/2019 14:28

Blue and Momentum a week on.

To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned
TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 14:30

And yet he was infinitely more in touch with public opinion than either you or St. Jeremy himself were

Yes, isn't it hilarious that most people think being homeless isn't really a big deal?

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 14:32

@Justanotherlurker

And ten million Labour voters. I'm sure we're all just a big pile of jokes for you with our anxiety about the future of the country. Laugh it up. You have to live here too.