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To think it’s utterly disgraceful that Corbyn hasn’t resigned

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Bearbehind · 13/12/2019 19:19

The man is the reason the Labour Party didn’t stand a chance in the GE

Yet today he doesn’t even have the good grace or integrity to step aside

Is their anyone at all who supports him in that decision?

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noblegiraffe · 19/12/2019 08:53

Where do you canvas? Islington, Hackney and Bristol West?

Justanotherlurker · 19/12/2019 09:03

And I'm sorry, but I must believe what I see with my own eyes in this age of misinformation.

This is what I was trying to allude to the other night, maybe not so kindly, but your sources of information are also heavily biased and plays fast and lose with the facts.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 09:13

Where do you canvas? Islington, Hackney and Bristol West?

No, none of those places.

And yes, I will rely on the information I've seen, such as people chanting that they love Jeremy Corbyn, or the man who grabbed me by my arms and said with a beaming smile that he and his entire family were very keen to vote for Corbyn. I won't ignore that just because some random people on the internet tell me to.

CharlottesPleb · 19/12/2019 09:13

*But why vote Tory if you were unhappy with Corbyn. You could have:

  • not voted
  • voted Green
  • voted Lib Dem
  • voted independent if available

I can't get my head around voting Tory if you are a traditional Labour voter*

The bottom line is that none of those other options does anything to make Labour lose, compared to voting for the other party with the chance to win, and in at least the cases of:

  • do you want to respect the referendum result
  • do you want the current Labour leadership in positions of responsibility
  • do you want the Labour manifesto as our plans for expenditure to be repaid by your children

These are all yes/no answers in (for instance) a Labour seat. That is answering maybe will effectively be a yes.

There were plenty who couldn't bear to, and they voted for the brexit party in a lot of seats. For some that was just the most they could stomach and that's ok.

noblegiraffe · 19/12/2019 09:16

Blue I’m sure you have seen people chanting oh Jeremy Corbyn.

What’s astonishing is your insistence that you haven’t met very many people who think he’s shit on your travels.

CharlottesPleb · 19/12/2019 09:16

First question should say ignore, not respect

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 09:17

And I'm aware that some MPs want to throw him under the bus. I don't find that particularly admirable behaviour.

Labour have kept to one leader and one manifesto that was supported as being economically sound. The Tories have been through leaders like it's going out of fashion and were completely unable to cost their promises.

But we'll see now all those new hospitals and those new nurses and all those new police officers, so you've got nothing to worry about with me doubting you, right?

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 09:18

What’s astonishing is your insistence that you haven’t met very many people who think he’s shit on your travels.

Well, I haven't. I met one person who said they didn't like him, as I've already said. And I'm not convinced he was every sandwich in the picnic, to be honest.

noblegiraffe · 19/12/2019 09:18

Labour have kept to one leader

Because he refused to go when he was massively no-confidenced by his own MPs and there was fuck-all they could do to get rid of him.

That’s not to be touted as a good thing.

Trewser · 19/12/2019 09:20

I met one person who said they didn't like him, as I've already said. And I'm not convinced he was every sandwich in the picnic, to be honest

You are lying.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 09:22

You are Lying

If that's what you want to tell yourself. But no, I'm not.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 09:25

I spent some time talking to this one old man who told me he used to vote Labour, but wouldn't now because didn't like Corbyn and couldn't vote for him. He wasn't fussed about homeless people on the streets because apparently he'd been homeless and didn't think it was that bad. Then he finished by saying he was a pensioner now and he didn't care anymore because it didn't affect him. I suggested he consider the other options that weren't Labour or the Conservatives and left it at that.

TheCraneWife · 19/12/2019 09:34

Your experience, Bluestocking outside of the Corbyn/Momentum bubble, is at odds with every one else's.

There were many Labour canvassers reporting Corbyn was deeply disliked. Running up to the election his approval rating was the worst ever

A survey by Ipsos MORI for the Evening Standard gavethe Labour leadera net satisfaction rating of -60, with just 16% of voters pleased with himand 76% unhappy

That means Mr Corbyn is even more unpopular than former Labour boss Michael Foot, who had an approval score of -56 in 1982

one manifesto that was supported as being economically sound

It wasn't economically sound- unless you think magic money trees are real.

noblegiraffe · 19/12/2019 09:38

Even within my own circle I know people who ripped up their membership over Corbyn and people who think the sun shines out of his arse. I know people who hate him and voted Tory, people who hate him and voted smaller parties and people who hate him but voted Labour anyway.

How can Blue’s experience be so limited?

WhatdoImean · 19/12/2019 09:41

OK Blue - if Corbyn being unpopular was NOT the prime reason for the most massive loss by Labour in living memory (I think?), and this being the second time Labour have lost, what was the reason?

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 09:41

It wasn't economically sound

I don't agree. And your party can't even flipping count, so I don't know what you think you have to boast about. That bollocks about nurses was hilarious.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 09:42

OK Blue - if Corbyn being unpopular was NOT the prime reason for the most massive loss by Labour in living memory (I think?), and this being the second time Labour have lost, what was the reason?

See above.

Trewser · 19/12/2019 09:46

What would Corbyn have done to get homeless people off the streets?

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 09:49

What would Corbyn have done to get homeless people off the streets?

What have the Tories done to put people on the streets? That's what you should have asked yourself before voting.

WhatdoImean · 19/12/2019 09:51

OK Blue. All I can say is that you are free to live in the bubble you want... I have no idea what it will take to break through.

All I will say is that while Labour do not appeal to the centre voters (and judging by the FACT that Labour lost so badly, they DID NOT DO SO), they will never get back into power. As a result, they are effectively enabling an ongoing Conservative state.

Trewser · 19/12/2019 09:52

That's not answering my question though is it? The Labour manifesto said they'd "tackle it" which means fuck all. The Conservatives said they'd commit to reducing homelessness with an overseas owner second homes tax. Did you point that out to your fictional-- "old man"?

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 09:53

Did you point that out to your fictional-- "old man"?

No, I didn't go round his house to talk bollocks to him.

CharlottesPleb · 19/12/2019 10:00

@TheBlueStocking do you get that flash of anger cross your face if someone offers any cues they might not like Corbyn?

I really don't mean to be horrid, it's just I know someone who is otherwise lovely but seems to get in a murderous rage at anyone who doesn't like her chosen leader, anyone who votes Tory is scum etc. So we all generally changed/avoided the subject and she is now flabbergasted that so many people don't love Corbyn and ...she had no idea.

TheBlueStocking · 19/12/2019 10:02

@CharlottesPleb

No, I find it quite easy not to get into a murderous rage, actually.

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