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Will the UK now accept the vote

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Gin96 · 13/12/2019 10:16

And move on with a united country, can we stop bickering and accept what people have voted for?

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PhilSwagielka · 13/12/2019 14:46

I can accept the vote, sure, but I cant force myself to be happy about it. Especially when I've seen some of the comments from Tories and the far right on social media.

FruitcakeOfHate · 13/12/2019 14:48

But how am I supposed to “get behind it” or “pull together for Britain”? I will- somebody just needs to tell me how.

I think it means you're supposed to pull out the bunting and flags and dig for victory and shit.

cannycat20 · 13/12/2019 14:48

@joecormac

This, with bells on. We have skills. We'll be moving to Scotland just as soon as we can now. The other thing that has not been discussed in England yet is just HOW seismic that North Belfast win is for Sinn Fein.

Every farmer, every nitwit eejit up in the north-east (where, God help me, I'm from, although thankfully not one of the Tory-voting areas), everyone who got their knickers in a twist about "Brexit" and "reclaiming our sovereignty", everyone who swallowed the lies of the media, I sincerely hope you're ALL hoist with your own petards. Multiple times, preferably.

I just wish to God I was still young enough to emigrate. Though, on balance, Scotland will do very nicely (if they'll have us). And once you and the soon-to-be reunited Ireland form an alliance, here's to a resurrected Dalriada. (Wales, do what you like. I've been mystified by you this time round.)

I'm resigned to the result. That doesn't mean I accept it. I just hope you all like eating potatoes, cabbage and beetroot and having to heal yourselves.

Don't believe me? Take a walk round your local supermarket and see where the food comes from, especially the fresh produce. Take a trip to your nearest farm, if you know where it is, and have a look at the nationalities of the people working there. And then trot along to your local hospital, if you still have one, and just check out how many of the clinical staff are a) under 45 or so and b) born outside England. 50,000 new nurses, Boris? What are you going to do, knit them?

cosima1 · 13/12/2019 14:51

No I don’t think the country will “unite”. Divisions will only deepen.

Strange political times. I live in a London borough that has just ousted the Tory candidate for a LD one, even though the people round here are exactly the very people who will certainly benefit from BJ’s tax cuts. The only positive is that he’ll lower stamp duty so hopefully the London housing market can move again and prices will bounce back. Economically, people round here stand to win from this result. But they still feel saddened and alienated from the rest of the country outside London and wonder about the sentiment across the nation and what it’s actually all about. Do people in what was the “red wall” really think Boris will give a damn about them? We’ve had a decade of this govt and all I see is more homelessness and marginalised people in the streets than ever before. It’s tragic and it’s everywhere. I hope “Get Brexit Done” was worth it. I think Scotland will become independent soon and I wish them the best of luck. Odd how “liberalism” has become a dirty word. People just want to cling to whatever slogans they’re fed and bury their heads in the sand, that’s how it seems to me anyway.

cannycat20 · 13/12/2019 14:54

@joecormac, I wasn't meaning "you" personally, by the way; your post makes sense.

My fury is aimed squarely at those who seem to think a decimated NHS and a rise in xenophobia (as someone else said, it's just a matter of time before they come for "the rest of us" - it's like we never, collectively, learn from history), increased poverty levels and the return of Victorian diseases is an acceptable price to pay for blue passports.

Still, it'll all be worth it, I'm sure, when we're officially the 51st state.

doublebarrellednurse · 13/12/2019 14:54

I won't accept the Brexit vote: ever. It was based on lies and bullshit.

I will accept that Brexit will happen and that the Tory government will go with it.

It's the will of 67% of the electorate apparently.

BarbedBloom · 13/12/2019 15:03

We are also relocating to Scotland, it was something we were considering doing anyway but this has given us a final push. I accept that Brexit will happen now whatever my thoughts and that my husband will lose his job because of it (owner is relocating). But I can't forgive. I think the divisions in this country are only going to get worse really, especially the bad feeling.

Cornettoninja · 13/12/2019 15:26

all I see is more homelessness and marginalised people in the streets than ever before. It’s tragic and it’s everywhere

This. How are people not seeing this? I’m not in a city any longer but in my London commuter town it’s rife. No matter if you think people have caused their own situations it’s clear that they’re unable to solve their own issues and as a society there has to be some provision for our most vulnerable members. We’ve lived through a technological revolution and it hasn’t benefited everyone but there’s no thought for those rapidly left behind.

Our politicians are strangely quiet on the issue.

MaMaMaMySharona · 13/12/2019 15:28

I accept the result of last night, in that there is fuck all I can do about it, despite it making me sick to my stomach. I'm aware if it had gone the other way, people on that side would feel as I do now.

It just shows, unfortunately, how divided our country is. For me, there is no 'uniting' over this. I categorically disagree with Brexit, with the Tories and with hurtling ourselves off a cliff in the name of 'democracy'. I feel for the people in Scotland and for the first time I am truly backing independence for them.

I found this quite interesting too:
Tory Vote: 43.6% of electorate. 360 odd seats
Labour/Libdem vote: 43.8% of electorate, 214 seats

derxa · 13/12/2019 15:32

Independence cannot come soon enough. Dear God no

changeofnamefornow · 13/12/2019 15:35

@DowntownAbby but if Scotland is so bankrupt and such a drain, why is Westminster so keen to hang on? Why not say, great, off you go, and pocket the supposed subsidies? So maybe not such a drain? Scotland doesn't benefit from some of the centrally funded big projects like HS2 and Crossrail, but is still paying into them. So yes, losing Barnet, but perhaps gaining elsewhere?

MrsDeltaB · 13/12/2019 15:36

Pretty sure I didn't dare tell anyone what to feel, just that I find it a bit over the top. I think there is a lot of doom and fear mongering happening.

We don't and won't know exactly what's happening until it happens. I appreciate that is very unnerving but think devastating on something we don't know yet is not appropriate in this instance.

Alaimo · 13/12/2019 15:51

That tweet from Katie Hopkins on the previous page is so disgusting I actually checked Twitter to see if it was real, because I couldn't believe it was genuine.

PhilSwagielka · 13/12/2019 16:00

If the silent majority think like her, G-d help us.

Namenic · 13/12/2019 16:03

It does make me more comfortable with brexit - In my opinion remain is clearly better economically, but if people have been informed and had a choice to vote for remain parties but didn’t within our constiuency system, then so be it. I would want remain parties to focus on protecting the vulnerable - like those dependent on eu for medicine supply chain and keeping peace in NI and keeping prices of necessities from rising.

Hopefully all major parties can agree on those priorities. Whether the tories will do much to mitigate the effects of brexit on the very constituencies that voted for it will be interesting to see. Maybe the only effects will be positive - who knows...

wondering7777 · 13/12/2019 16:05

Thinking about it, I feel the election result has given me some sort of closure at least. If we'd left the EU without another vote on anything, I'd have felt really frustrated about that - but at least the public were given a chance to vote in a GE and elect a pro-remain party if they'd wanted to. They could have stopped Brexit but chose not to. It wasn't like Boris scraped through with a few extra seats either - he won a resounding majority.

And yes, I know the election was about more than Brexit, but it really was the biggest issue on the table - especially as whether we leave the EU or not will have a huge effect on almost all other policies.

cosima1 · 13/12/2019 16:06

I think the silent majority do probably think like Katie Hopkins and this is why we are where we are. It’s truly depressing. It’s like “Animal Farm” with Cummings at the helm.

billysboy · 13/12/2019 16:07

I wish to personally thank Mr #JeremyCorbyn and the entire #LabourParty Front Bench for delivering a clear and concise demonstration of how out of touch their brand of #socialism really is.

from twitter

Elbowedout · 13/12/2019 16:11

Depends what you mean by accept.
Accept that Brexit is now inevitable, yes.
Accept that it it is right, morally or economically, no, never.
I will never support the moral vacuum that is Boris Johnson, or any of his old school friends.

PhilSwagielka · 13/12/2019 16:11

@cosima1 And people told me Corbyn was dangerous for Jews.

I feel sick.

B0bbin · 13/12/2019 16:12

Tippexy, we have not voted 3 times to leave the EU. We voted once on that. The general elections should not have been about that. I understand the confusion as all BJ could keep harping on about was getting Brexit done. I see his plan worked. How utterly depressing.

Figmentofmyimagination · 13/12/2019 16:16

If Corbyn had been a sensible moderate politician, Johnson would have lost and we would not be leaving the European Union.

LittleDragonGirl · 13/12/2019 16:18

How on earth are we a united country?

Scotland will be leaving before long.

There is bitter divide in England between areas who want to remain and those who don't, really massive. And between those who want to look after the vulnerable and those who don't.

We can't possibly unite behind a government who want to destroy the NHS and hurt the vulnerable, in order to make themselves richer, all the while being as unfriendly as possible to foreigners. Oh, while expecting some foreigners to still come here to be doctors and nurses. It's arrogant, selfish and narrow-minded. There's no way we can unite behind that. There might not be a lot we can do to stop it happening now, but we are certainly not going to be united by it.

^ This

4cats2kids · 13/12/2019 16:21

YABU I won’t accept anything that I think is a terrible mistake even though I’m holding a minority opinion.

Figmentofmyimagination · 13/12/2019 16:22

There's no way we can unite behind that.

What can we do though?

In other countries, there would be demonstrations - e.g. thousands of people out on the street banging saucepans etc.

I feel we should be displaying our anger and disgust in some visible way.

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