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To think MN is a Hard Left echo chamber

228 replies

DowntownAbby · 13/12/2019 00:14

And that's why so, so many MNers are baffled that the Conservatives are going to achieve a landslide victory over Labour.

Out there is the real world, there was far less support for Corbyn but most MNers couldn't see what was coming.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 14/12/2019 13:58

Yes Jeremy would address his emails to myself (ex party member) as Dear Comrade Hmm Hmm we are not fighting a revolution and he is not sort sort of Che Guevara figure

Embarrassing I thought

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 14:00

‘Comrade’ - it’s hard to change the make up of the Labour Party if that’s what they would face.

Trewser · 14/12/2019 14:06

Some of the Labour MPs who lost their seats (eg Caroline Flint) stood up and put the blame squarely on JC and Momentum. If the party STILL doesn't listen they don't deserve to ever be in power.

Alsohuman · 14/12/2019 14:14

I agree @Trewser but where does that leave those of us who can’t vote for it, definitely can’t vote Tory and think a LibDem or Green vote’s a waste of time? Effectively we’re disenfranchised. Added to which good government demands a strong opposition.

Trewser · 14/12/2019 14:17

I couldn't agree more. I said before the election that I wanted Labour to be defeated heavily so that they might regroup. I underestimated the scale of the beating and I can see it's going to take years and years to rebuild trust. I quite like Boris but even I could see that he did a lot of unpalatable things - and the voters didn't care. So Labour can't even just sit back and wait for him to fuck up! They need to properly listen and change. They won't do this. We've got Boris for 10 years.

Trewser · 14/12/2019 14:19

I've just watched the Caroline Flint speech again and I feel really sorry for her.

PencilsInSpace · 14/12/2019 14:45

Have you got a link to Caroline Flint's speech Trewser?

Trewser · 14/12/2019 14:47

Caroline Flint

Sorry its Sky and has ads.

PencilsInSpace · 14/12/2019 14:50

thanks

londonrach · 14/12/2019 14:51

Totally. In the rl No one liked boris but viewed him the lesser of two evils especially with the people behind corbin. I have found mn very strange compared to rl re brexit too but found it interesting to read. If anyone has a different view mn gets nasty. There is no right or wrong way to vote!!!!

londonrach · 14/12/2019 14:55

Most people in rl are in the middle and both parties are too extreme at the moment. Mn is extreme at the moment and kinda why i dont bother too much with it now. I came on her to get advice re children etc. Enjoyed the car parking cf etc stories. Im not interested in politics!

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 14/12/2019 15:15

When did helping people who are worse off and making society fairer and not racist or homophobic become hard left. It just goes to show how far right this country has become. Madness.

bellinisurge · 14/12/2019 15:20

You win elections by making people to the left and right if you hold their nose, not by expecting the centre to hold its nose.

MarshaBradyo · 14/12/2019 15:24

Yes Bellinsurge why Labour are so blind to it I do not know.

DPotter · 14/12/2019 15:32

I am most certainly not 'Hard left', but I do believe we should be helping the vulnerable, the poor, the young, the old and frankly each other. As a past Labour voter I am relieved we do not have Jeremy Corbyn as PM today, but I am mighty concerned we have the wrong Johnson in No 10.
I loathe the term 'Brexit' (and call it what it is - leaving the EU), think it's the worst mistake this country has made in a very long time, making us a laughing stock in Europe. And I'll accept the 'verdict' of the referendum and 2 general elections, the same way as all the Tory sceptics accepted the previous referendum vote to stay in the EU and how they have never gave up an opportunity to call that decision into question.

Barnseyboyo · 14/12/2019 15:43

The fact they think Labour aren’t that far left says a lot. Mumsnet is a very nasty place because of them right now.

MIdgebabe · 14/12/2019 15:53

Mumsnet is nasty because of labour? Grief that's getting desperate. Are labour also responsible for my losing the sellotape?

Barnseyboyo · 14/12/2019 15:59

Yes, the viciousness regarding people who voted Tory is getting way out of hand

DontMakeMeShushYou · 14/12/2019 16:30

YABU simply for misusing the term 'hard left' when you mean centrist/left-of-centre.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/12/2019 16:40

the viciousness regarding people who voted Tory is getting way out of hand

Considering the comments on the two threads MNHQ had to delete I'd say you're right; obviously I get folk are upset, but the kind of filth seen on there is never acceptable under any circumstances at all

And if those are the kind of mindsets behind the current Labour party, it's just as well we've been spared them running the country

Alsohuman · 14/12/2019 16:45

Yes, the viciousness regarding people who voted Tory is getting way out of hand

If we’re going to be totally fair, it goes both ways. I wouldn’t mind having £1 for every time I’ve been insulted because of my pretty centrist left wing views.

ChestnutSmoothie · 14/12/2019 16:55

If we’re going to be totally fair, it goes both ways. I wouldn’t mind having £1 for every time I’ve been insulted because of my pretty centrist left wing views

Have you been told that you don’t care about poor people? The homeless? Children with special needs? The NHS? That people will die because of you? That you are a “vile cunt”? A racist “Little Englander”?

I really doubt it. Not all “insults” are equal.

Xenia · 14/12/2019 16:57

There are more nasty swear words from the left than right but that probably just relfects their backgrounds etc and I certainly don't hold it against them. Even before they lost so badly they were must nastier about those who support caring helpful Tory policies than Tories on here were ever about Labour. I think Corbyn (and BJ) are good men who work hard for the country but the left seems to think every Tory is wicked, have murdered 100,000 people and all kinds of things which not surprisingly the sensible British voter does not believe.

sideorderofchips · 14/12/2019 17:00

Having been living in the channel islands over a decade I lost my right to vote

But I was a tory voter

I remember what Labour did to the NHS. And private school bursaries. And the spending out of control. So if I could have voted I would have voted tory again.

ChestnutSmoothie · 14/12/2019 17:12

FFS Xenia we are not talking about “nasty swear words” Hmm

We are talking about character assassinations & disgraceful accusations of any “ism” they can think off, along with a hefty dose of emotional manipulation.

Rather than engage in sensible, robust debate, they prefer to try and shame people into shutting up because they think it validates their own superior brand of morality.

We saw it in the pre-referendum debates...if you were thinking about voting “leave” you were a racist, ignorant cunt. End of story.

MN has become extremely tribal & a large vocal majority (of active posters) have developed a manifesto of opinions that cannot be deviated from. I can literally sit and play MN Bingo on any thread about any subject.

The politics threads over recent days have only amplified an issue that was already in existence.