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To think MN is a Hard Left echo chamber

228 replies

DowntownAbby · 13/12/2019 00:14

And that's why so, so many MNers are baffled that the Conservatives are going to achieve a landslide victory over Labour.

Out there is the real world, there was far less support for Corbyn but most MNers couldn't see what was coming.

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Teateaandmoretea · 13/12/2019 09:06

I doubt anyone would suggest tax breaks for buying luxury cars

I reckon they might as long as they worked for the manufacturer.....

Trewser · 13/12/2019 09:11

Thus £800,000 which would have been public money has now gone towards a music suite at an expensive private school

It means our smallish town now has a state of the art perfomance space which has been used by the community many times since it opened. A bargain!

missyoumuch · 13/12/2019 09:13

And that's because of the point that I've already made - every British child in a private school is freeing up a seat and funding for a child in a state school. Tuition fees are already from post-tax income. Going after one-off capital projects which only the wealthiest families will make significant contributions to anyway rather misses the point. And if these are boarding schools many people who have contributed may not even be British taxpayers anyway.

If the issue is that the rich aren't taxed enough, then tax them more. Well, that was part of the Labour manifesto and the voters haven't gone for it this time.

missyoumuch · 13/12/2019 09:20

@Trewser please don't introduce nuance into this discussion, it will cause a few brains to explode.

Trewser · 13/12/2019 09:21

🤣

Terryscombover · 13/12/2019 09:21

I work (someone said none Tory female voters don't work up thread, we're kept women). Sexist bullshit

I've kids in private school

I earn a very good wage very deep into six figures. Now someone will say I can afford not to vote Tory (can't win, either I'm a kept woman or earn too much)

I can't ever vote for a manifesto that included changing the legal process to make politicians unaccountable in law (Tory)

I'm way better off under the Tories

I will never vote for them. Bastards

Corbyn is shit. I agree on that. Useless leader with extreme policies

MarshaBradyo · 13/12/2019 09:25

It’s not hard left as a whole but it’s hard to find threads that are not echo chambers where both sides can actually talk about what’s going on

Trewser · 13/12/2019 09:26

I'm way better off under the Tories. I will never vote for them. Bastards

Do you live in a safe tory seat?

weebarra · 13/12/2019 09:28

I'm looking at this from a Scottish point of view.
Labour now only have one Scottish seat.
The SNP have 48. This is not necessarily a mandate for independence but it is a wholesale rejection of both Labour and Conservative.
It's a stark contrast to rUK and a lot of people are very worried about the future.

Terryscombover · 13/12/2019 09:31

Trewser sadly yes. I need to move!

mumofthree321 · 13/12/2019 09:39

From looking at today's election maps and where Labour won their seats, perhaps it will provide MN with an idea of where many of their members are based?

Trewser · 13/12/2019 10:04

Terryscombover

So am I. It means you can happily vote Green or whoever while slagging off the Tories but still happy in the knowledge that the Tories will get in so your high salary and private education will be safe. It's a rather privileged position to be in!

Teateaandmoretea · 13/12/2019 10:38

Trewser that is a strange, cynical view. I live in a marginal and consider that we are the privileged ones as our votes hold more power. Ultimately you could vote green here and it would make no difference to the result either.....

ChristmasSpirtsOnTheRocksPleas · 13/12/2019 10:41

There are plenty of centrists and even some right wingers on here. Britain in general is a left wing echo chamber (many people wouldn’t dare to admit voting Tory in real life) but I wouldn’t say that of mn.

Terryscombover · 13/12/2019 10:42

Wow Trewser what an arse. I'll vote to make everyone poorer then next time and not spend hours working to help

I'll give up all voluntary and charity work too

Or can only poor people have empathy for others.

Snob of the worst kind.

Vemvet · 13/12/2019 10:47

"I have seen posters told to fuck off, called a cunt & told to contract awful illnesses.
All because they have voted a different way."

Yes, me too. It's disgraceful, sad and very uneducated.

Trewser · 13/12/2019 11:06

Of course you can have empathy. But it's naive to think your vote makes any difference if you live in a safe seat.

Terryscombover · 13/12/2019 11:10

So I vote with the masses or don't bother? I don't like the Tories so I won't vote for them. I don't feel the need to only vote for a dead cert winner.

Did you miss me saying we want to move - this would deliberately be to a local marginal

People with your attitude are just judgemental. You don't know me or my background but my current circumstances are enough for you to belittle me.

larrygrylls · 13/12/2019 14:15

I think we need to define right wing and left wing carefully here.

The definitions are not as clear as they once were.

PhilSwagielka · 13/12/2019 14:42

If it's so hard left, why are there so many vocal Tories on here?

PhilSwagielka · 13/12/2019 14:44

Also, I've seen plenty of Tories joking that Labour voters could afford to vote during the day because they're all lazy and/or unemployed. I work pretty much every day, depending on what jobs I get given. Before I went into full time translation, I was working 2 jobs but I didn't do a 9-5, since my day job was part-time and my translation work was in the evening, so apparently that means I'm a worthless, useless, lazy waste of space.

Thanks.

breadfan1 · 13/12/2019 15:09

@30to50FeralHogs
"Left leaning posters dominate debate with their superiority complex and don't listen to others' objections, swear at them, insult them and then wonder why people don't want to talk about politics with them."

absolutely agree

PettyContractor · 13/12/2019 16:42

Are these people unicorns? Because I’ve never met anyone fitting this description

You've never met a right-wing voter who doesn't bang on about it and criticise anyone who doesn't have the same political views?

Maybe you know lots of right-wing voters who aren't like this, but don't realise that, because they haven't let on that they are right-wing voters?

If every person in your life lets you know in no uncertain terms who they support, then I withdraw my suggestion. (And am glad I don't move in similar circles.)

ChaiNashta · 13/12/2019 16:58

I don’t know if it is an echo chamber, but I must live in one. I only know 2 people who would vote conservative, my friends, colleagues, and neighbours wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole

Yep same. Although I live in an area where rates of homelessness has increased at an alarming rate in the last few years and the rich/poor divide is very obvious.

Cloudyyy · 13/12/2019 17:01

Labour has become a party of extremist, luvvie lefties who insult, slander and threaten anyone who disagrees with them - especially online. You can see how far it got Corbyn.