To think MN is a Hard Left echo chamber

[DowntownAbby]

And that's why so, so many MNers are baffled that the Conservatives are going to achieve a landslide victory over Labour.

Out there is the real world, there was far less support for Corbyn but most MNers couldn't see what was coming.

It certainly is at times although some of us Conservatives have been posting on the political threads in the last few weeks.

The left seem not to understand that most people know hard left policies are very bad.

@TheClaws

You having a laugh? Obviously you are impervious to the posts, probably as you believe they are right and therefore ok.

Now we have to see how many days said labour voters protest and stamp their feet because they lost

Big time

Strange, I must have imagined the abuse I’ve received from conservative voters on here...

I’ve seen a few left wing posters going to great care not to insult anyone, to evidence their comments in the face of constant insults, lies and completely unfounded statements.

Do people really not understand that emotions are high for good reason? There’s this idea that no one posting here is personally affected by the issues being discussed. Spend some time on the special needs boards and look at what we have to battle against. The fears for our children and for ourselves are based in reality and based on what’s gone before. I am petrified of what’s coming with such a large Tory majority. I’m not going around calling people cunts and murderers but this is not a theoretical exercise and I’m not surprised so many are so scared and so angry, especially with those posters who think it’s highly amusing to mock their legitimate fears.

Also, Labour policies are not far left or hard left or extreme left by objective metrics. The Tories policies on the other hand are very much hard right.

Also, Labour policies are not far left or hard left or extreme left by objective metrics

Lol, if they aren't I'd hate to see what is.,,🤣🤣🤣

That chart looks relative, you can definitely go further right than the Cons.

Labour are not economically liberal enough to occupy that position on the chart though

Unless that's purely social policy

But labour legitimately are not hard left

Just people of a certain age think of them as a centrist party

And people over a certain age remember that it took that central position before their noses were in the trough

Labour may not be hard left. But the electorate don't want any kind of left wing govt at all at the moment.

The current iteration of Labour is socially and fiscally authoritarian, while being fairly far to the left. I don't think that diagram is accurate, SinkGirl.

I'm not sure the Conservatives are that far right

That chart looks like someone with a left viewpoint created it

Take it up with the academics at the Political Compass website who’ve put it together after exhaustively correlating the manifestos, speeches and voting records of each party. It’s quite a fascinating tool, since I’ve spoken to a fair few people who’ve taken the test and found a massive disconnect between where they stand politically and who they support.

I would argue that perception of what the Labour Party represent is very far removed from the reality, which I’ve seen reflected in post after post misrepresenting their policies, not only on this thread but site-wide for months, not to mention in the media which is where so many of the misrepresentations come from in the first place. Unfortunately this is an era where everyone thinks we are all more informed than ever, but where the quality of that information is extremely low in many cases.

That chart looks like someone with a left viewpoint created it

Nope.

How can you put the Cons to the very edge of right Sinkgirl - Can they go no further with a smaller state?

You say nope but it’s not working as a representation

I'm not sure of the reason or point of pretended momentum isn't far left..

Most posts on policies are fairly well-informed. No doubt there’s other factors at play but what Corbyn promised is as left as people perceive it to be.

The reason I post on political threads is to provide factual information to counter some of the biased and untrue posts. I would never wish death or illness on anyone, nor do I ever call anyone names. But I’m incapable of sitting on my hands and leaving myth and fairy tale unchallenged.

Last night I felt physically sick when I saw the exit poll and I still feel pretty miserable and anxious about yesterday’s results. Not least because I’m pretty sure that a lot of those Tory votes amount to self harm. Anyway, I certainly don’t wish right wing voters any harm, they just make me sad.

If you voted Leave and Tory and dare to say so, you get ripped to shreds on MN.

Hence they have become the silent majority.

All of this is a huge lesson for the left- it stopped listening to the public. This was replicated in the shouty threads on mumsnet. But the wonderful thing about democracy is that you can’t be bullied at the ballot box.

When I think of echo chambers I think of platforms like twitter and facebook where algorithms decide what content you will see and if something still gets through, that might make your world view wobble a bit, you can just block and pretend it doesn't exist.

MN is not an echo chamber in that sense. Nobody can stop you posting except MNHQ. You can hide boards and threads but not individual posters and their views. That's a huge part of why I like it here.

I think MN is generally left leaning, some parts of the site more than others. From other contexts I know how tough it can be to post a minority view on here even when nobody's being abusive. The sheer scale of the disagreement can feel like a hostile pile-on and an attempt to silence you. It really isn't though, or at least not necessarily. It can simply be that you hold a minority view and lots of people disagree. None of them can stop you typing what you want in the little box and hitting 'post'. Only MNHQ can do that.

What has happened during this election campaign is something else altogether. There have been lots of new names about, who seem extremely keen to tell us all that unless we voted for Jeremy we are responsible for the deaths of children and the NHS ceasing to exist. They're not very good at engaging with people's concerns about labour's policies or party culture. They seem to only have one tactic which is shame. Call people names, say they have blood on their hands, make them feel ashamed for not voting for Jeremy.

I don't believe all of them are MNers in the usual sense. Some of them are momentum campaigners and MN is just on their campaign trail. Some of them have been making abject tits of themselves over on FWR - probably a more left leaning board than many parts of MN - because some women decided after much consideration to spoil our ballots.

Theres a protest going on outside Parliament about a legitimate vote. These people now look like embarrassing undemocratic idiots. No self awareness all. Mumsnet, Momentum and Labour are mostly trapped in a middle class metropolitan bubble. They need to take stock instead of throwing a hissy fit about people exercising their right to vote.

How can you put the Cons to the very edge of right Sinkgirl - Can they go no further with a smaller state?
That chart is nonsense. The tories are further right than the DUP? Really? They are creationists who are opposed to gays and contraception. Whst about UKIP and the DUP. By saying the tories are far left you detoxify violent extremist nazi political ideologies. And Labour are more left than the Greens with their universal basic income?

They are undemocratic, and they are hard left, and they view the working class they purport to represent with sneering contempt. These are probably reasons why most people came out to vote against them, including very large numbers of people from multi-generational tribal voting constituencies.

People have protected the country from a scornful, hostile and disgustingly undemocratic faction.

Labour constituencies