Aibu to think the break up of the UK is inevitable now?

[KenDodd]

I think it is.

For anyone interested in keeping Scotland in the UK, sign up to Scotland in Union www.scotlandinunion.co.uk :-)

I actually voted SNP (tactical :( ) for the first time ever due to the area I live in having the Tories a fairly close 3rd last election. The Lib Dems got in anyway. 🙄 The conservatives were miles behind in the end after a LD surge and Labour got less than 2000 votes.

If Scotland became independent would I be able to live there? I left there from being 0 to 25 and my whole family are there… But I wasn’t sure on there and both of my parents were born in England. I live in the north-east of England at the moment… Seriously considering moving soon!

*I lived there

Another one here who was a No last time but would be a firm Yes this time. The sooner the better.

Brexit will likely lead to increased grocery prices, the loss of the nhs is distinctly possible too. So I’m not sure those points really will deter people.

I’m from ROI but living in NI now.

It seriously doesn’t matter what people say about a United Ireland. People in the ROI laugh at the suggestion. And everyone seems to forget that that country might actually have some say in it!

Oops quoted the wrong part. I was responding to the poster asking whether I was Irish or Northern Irish (and I’ll make no comment on how ignorant a question that is in the first place)

@Toomuchtrouble4me where do you get off slandering someone by the way they look? You'll be the first to clutch your pearls if someone posted something considered ageist it sexist. You clearly have no intelligent information to post so therefore attack someone's looks. I hope you look like a model and love yourself because with an attitude that mocks how others look you will be the only one!

Happyspud I am from ROI too and the vast majority of people I know would be vehemently against a united Ireland. It does rile me when I read (I'm assuming British) people saying things like "a united Ireland is inevitable now".

So thank you for pointing out that we have a say too in that.

I'm very greatly to the government for giving me (2nd generation immigrant) a passport which is highly likely to retain its EU privileges

Of course, the concept of a United Ireland is very appealing for sentimental reasons.

The insurmountable barrier I see, is that Northern Ireland is not economically self supporting. For example, great jobs are quite thin on the ground. The UK civil service is one of very few big employers. What could possibly replace those jobs?

What would the Republic have to gain from taking in people who still defend their "right" to march along routes, singing sectarian songs, through areas where the people living there now are, to put it mildly, not absolutely in sympathy with their cause.

It's not just so easy.

Perhaps the EU would stump up a support package to help the economy.

I live in the very South of Ireland and honestly have no interest in a United Ireland. I think as a country we have enough problems as it is to deal with without adding NI. I also feel our government would bend over backwards to appease the unionist, even at the expense of their own citizens. Varadkar is already looking for 1 billion from the EU to help NI and the border counties after brexit. This while Irish children are living in hotel rooms and our health service is in chaos. Brexit has caused other issues to be put on hold and they need to be addressed.

"It does rile me when I read (I'm assuming British) people saying things like "a united Ireland is inevitable now". "

I'd say you could probably say it's presumably English people, not British. Most Scottish and Welsh people are a bit more clued up, but the majority of English people seem to have no idea.

Same as they have no interest in Scotland til they decide they want to move here because our politics suits them better.

"If Scotland became independent would I be able to live there?"

This as a prime example.

I have to laugh though when I read posters from NI say now that the nhs is 'ruined' they would now consider voting for a UI! Great try waiting over 2 years to see a rhuemotogist or 3 years to get your child assessed for asd. The waiting lists are horrendous in Ireland and a lot of us then have to pay for the pleasure. I just paid 80 euros for my sons day procedure in hospital and another 30 on medication.

Yes it’s another example of the “just cast them off” we hear a lot from English posters when NI crops up. It is founded in ignorance of the situation but also comes from a place of “we don’t want them to be our problem”. It isn’t as simple as “giving us back” to ROI or us becoming wholly independent (impossible). NI is a specific and unique “problem” of the UKs making. As nice as it would be for rUK to cut us loose- you reap what you sow. Unfortunately for us here in NI- we also reap what you sow. With little choice in the matter.

Given that the last few years have been total chaos with nothing effective occurring in government due to brexit and the fact that more or less, half of the UK want brexit and half don't (a tug of war), I struggle to see how 'everything will be solved by indyref2', when it's the bloody same thing! Half of Scotland wants out, the other half don't! And worse, the rest of the UK is more intrinsically tied to Scotland than it is to Europe and look how hard its been to untangle from that!
Regardless of snp 'mandate', they still only got less than 50% of the vote so there's no 'Scotland voted for independence' - only a 1/3 of eligible voters actually voted for the snp (70% turnout) and there's no reason to suspect that was for the independence policy but rather the anti brexit policy.
It seems stupid to immediately make the same mistake and believe all the crap that makes independence so much better when it's the same crap that is ridiculed with pro brexit. I disagree with both but overall, I want this whole uncertainty to go away so the UK can build itself up without continuing to shackle itself with referendums. Why does it take a 2/3s win for a general election but 50.00000001% for a massive, huge, business destroying, market collapsing, change in the constitution that literally holds the whole country up? I do NOT want another referendum! Not until the polls start to drift away properly from that 50% line and there's a real mandate.

Can I come to Scotland and vote for independence ? I'm fucked

"Can I come to Scotland and vote for independence ? I'm fucked"

Can English people stop saying this?

It's so fucking rude.

"I have zero interest in or knowledge of your country but now I've decided it's better for me."

It is an actual country where people live, not some socialist utopia for disenchanted English lefties to declare a longing for when they're disappointed in election results.

I was a no last time. Since then I've had a few run ins with DCMS and HMT (I had a senior member of HMT staff asking me not to go to the Scottish press about something and my boss and her boss told me not to)

I'm a 100% yes this time. No doubt whatsoever

I previously thought that the fishermen in Fife had more in common with the fisherman in Cornwall than either had in common with Westminster.

Now I know that England does not have the same political values as us as proved by the EU ref and two GEs.

It's time to break free. England is literally sinking (bedrock from ice age) I don't want it to take Scotland with it.

I voted No in the Indyref because I wanted to guarantee staying in Europe and I wanted the left leaning Scotland to help keep Tories out of Westminster. I also felt British and liked British institutions like the BBC. That went well then... 🤦‍♀️

Voting Yes next time though it'll be an uphill struggle to get another vote. The Tories don't need Scotland's votes so will happily shit all over us and the press and media will absolutely demonify Sturgeon. The English will lap it up because they already feel a bit like that anyway.

The absolute shit they threw at discrediting Corbyn will now come onto Nicola as she's now the main threat to the status quo.

Great try waiting over 2 years to see a rhuemotogist or 3 years to get your child assessed for asd.

In fairness those are still probably shorter waiting lists than in N Ireland. But no matter, because it shouldn't be a race to the bottom as to who has got it worse. We all should have access to healthcare.

You wait far less time in NI for both those things.

Every body part that is crossable is currently crossed for Scottish independence. I was an unenthused ‘aye’ voter at #Indyref14. I would go out and knock on doors for them at this stage.

A united Ireland is absolutely inevitable now.

And I also want this. 😍

Scotland would find it difficult to meet EU requirements for entry as an independent nation.

Maybe those particular specialties do have shorter waiting times in the north, but there are also plenty of two, three and four year waiting lists for various things. Swings and roundabouts I suppose.

Your right Isabella everyone should have access to healthcare, our government are getting away with doing a piss poor job because everyone is focused on brexit. There are plenty of longer waiting list here too believe me. The 2 year wait for a rhuemotogist was actually a surprise to me because I heard of people waiting 3/4 years previously. My point was that if those in NI think the nhs is awful then let me inform them the hse isn't much better and a lot of us pay for the privilege.