Aibu to think the break up of the UK is inevitable now?

[KenDodd]

I think it is.

I'm English in NI and I would seriously consider voting for a United Ireland now and naturalising. The NHS was the thing holding me back.

Scottish independence - a compete disaster waiting to happen.

Welsh independence and Irish independence also a complete disaster

Another 5 years of Boris and co is also a fucking disaster.

I think the most sensible thing to do is take a step back, work with what we've got just now, and come back to the issue when the country is a bit more stable,

I said exactly the same thing after the EU ref and the 2017 GE, now though I’m thinking things aren’t going to be stable for a very long time. In every single vote since the independence referendum Scotland has been demonstrably out of step with England and Wales - it’s harder to make a comparison with NI. So for how long do we wait for things to settle.

I need to accept the democratic process, which for me means the UK as a nation are ok with, and support Tory policies and the impact those policies have, and I don’t. And it seems the democratic view of the nation state I belong to don’t agree with those policies either. How long do we wait for stability and at what cost.

I’ve never been in favour of independence and it really goes against the grain for me to support it now, it’s not my preferred option but the rest of the UK consistently makes decisions on my behalf that my nation state don’t subscribe to. I think the country will break in two anyway if Scotland don’t get to determine their own future - I’d rather that was through the ballot box that through civil unrest.

"the vulnerable people will suffer."

But people won't blame Brexit. Many will continue to believe the lie that immigrants/refugees/benefit scroungers are the reason for their suffering.

My parents will vote Labour but underneath it they're small c conservative working class - they firmly believe that the reason they are poor is because immigrants are stealing all the money.

@Toomuchtrouble4me

And you are why scots want to be independant! Ignorant remarks that if they were levelled at any other nation would be absolutely slated!

Another 5 years of Boris and co is also a fucking disaster.

They will have to use up a lot of energy and parliamentary time on 'Getting Brexit done', and dealing with the aftermath, though. So that's less time to get a whole raft of 'nasty party' legislation through this term.

So that's a small consolation

Also, (hopefully) for a lot of traditionally Labour voters who voted Tory this time, this really was a one-time deal to 'get Brexit done' and they will go back to Labour next GE.

So I am holding on to those two small rays of hope.

NI, fancy joining us in a super-celt state? (Trying to lighten the gloom...)
I would rather that than a United Ireland. But my preference would be to remain in a UK which is still a member of the EU and for England to leave it.

"I would seriously consider voting for a United Ireland"

A united Ireland is never going to happen in a million years. The south have no interest in that whatsoever.

.

Surely loads of English people can’t just move to Scotland if we become independent?

I’m not meaning to be rude, more just how would that work logistically?

"Surely loads of English people can’t just move to Scotland if we become independent?"

Don't worry, they're just chatting, same as when all those Americans were going to move to Canada if Trump got in.

We'll just rebuild Hadrians Wall.

I’ll be interested to see voting percentages. I have no doubt she will be bleating about independence but that’s not going to be anything different anyhow.

What happens if the scottish parliament votes for a indy reg and London says no? What happens if they try to hold one anyway, what could the uk goverment do? Could we find ourselves in Catalonia like position?

@WatchingTheMoon I never said I thought it would happen. Just that I would consider voting for it. I think we'll see NI vote for a United Ireland in my lifetime but I don't think Ireland would want us, to be frank.

@Pilchardandcrane

Scottish independence - a compete disaster waiting to happen.

Welsh independence and Irish independence also a complete disaster

Care to elaborate as to why exactly?

I’m married to a Scot so I’m ok either way

If tories get the majority and deny a Scottish referendum what happens then?

The only part of the UK that is going to benefit from any Irish, Welsh or Scottish Indy Ref is England.

Because we will be better off 🙄

Unlike N.Ireland, Wales or Scotland. If they dont think the UK can survive outside of the EU how in the ever loving fuck do they think they'll survive without England or the rest of the UK? 🤔

Oil? England would go to war, politically or physically, over keeping the offshore sites until Oil is null and void as a fuel. And you aren't going to win that battle.

"I think we'll see NI vote for a United Ireland"

I really doubt that. I haven't looked into the details, but I'd imagine you'd need to have two votes: one to break away from the UK and one to join Ireland. You might get the first, but the south would likely need to approve the latter and I don't think they'd even countenance it. Why should they? They're doing fine and mostly think NI is a bunch of right-wing mega-prod crackpots.

"What happens if the scottish parliament votes for a indy reg and London says no? What happens if they try to hold one anyway, what could the uk goverment do? Could we find ourselves in Catalonia like position?"

I don't think either side would do what you're suggesting. I can't see the British government saying no: that would be seen as very undemocratic. And I can't see Scotland just holding one anyway.

The UK is not Spain and Scotland is not Catalonia.

Last time round, I thought Scotland would be insane to go independent. Now, I can see exactly why it would be the sane thing to do. As a half-Scot, I would think seriously about moving there.

’m not meaning to be rude, more just how would that work logistically?
There's loads of room in the Highlands.

Yes kendodd. UK is done for. God knows what u you'll finish up with, I'll be gone before it's resolved.