Aibu to think the break up of the UK is inevitable now?

[KenDodd]

I think it is.

The indyref was supposed to be once in a generation

I wish people would stop saying this rubbish. This was a remark by Alex Salmond. It was never official SNP policy or in any manifesto.

I voted NO in the last referendum but after seeing the results this morning I will be easily persuaded to vote YES if there was another referendum.

I dunno if it is to be honest.

If you base the vote on something simple like everyone who voted snp wants independence, and everyone who didn't vote snp doesn't want independence, then it's a No on independence. Obviously there will be fluctuation between the sides, but if you add all of the tory, Labour and lib dem votes only, you get over 200,000 more than snp alone.

But who knows. It depends on what boris does next I think too.

I'd still vote no to independence. I don't see how it's going to magically fix anything. The ideology of being our own separate country may sound nice, but to me it's just more money to piss away on the referendum, campaigning, and if it's successful... More money for restructuring and replacement systems etc. Plus no actual guarantee of easily being accepted into the EU.

Ironically I voted SNP this time, but only to make sure of keeping the Tories out. I'm annually cringing at all the "mandate for another referendum stuff" :(

I'm another"politically homeless" person. The labor party is getting more and more useless, there's literally no point voting for them in most Scottish constituencies anyway. World never vote conservative. Lib Dems are also fucking useless.

Preference for most Scots (including me) is to
1st Remain in EU & Union
2nd Leave EU & Independence
3rd Leave EU & Remain Union.

Now #1 has gone it's onto #2. #3 is way down the list of acceptable conclusions.

Scotland has benefitted from lots of EU support and (unlike a lot of the UK I suspect) has had a positive experience of EU migration. Lots of EU nationals here making great contributions to the country and becoming a key part of the fabric of Scotland.

I’m wondering why there isn’t an armed or terrorist wing of Scottish nationalism. Not suggesting that there should be obvs. Just intrigued. Even Wales had Meibion Glyndwr, although they never came onto the mainland.

JC was going to negotiate with SNP to agree to an independence referendum anyway!

I don’t see Boris agreeing to a referendum.

"I’m wondering why there isn’t an armed or terrorist wing of Scottish nationalism."

Why would there be? It's not some kind of standard part of nationalist parties.

I’m wondering why there isn’t an armed or terrorist wing of Scottish nationalism

Because Scots don't tend towards rioting and terrorism tbh.

@Figmentofmyimagination WTAF? Seriously? Have you watched braveheart too often. Last I checked we are not a country full of wild rebel’s.

Personally I don’t think there will be independence 53% of people voted against SNP and some of those who voted SNP voted tactically against Tory and/or didn’t like Corbyn.

You just can't extrapolate the election result into pro/anti-independence figures. I voted for Labour, not 'against' the SNP, in this election. And would quite possible vote in favour of Scottish independence if there were another referendum.

If Scotland became independent we wouldn’t get rid of them. We can’t get rid of them now.

Not so sure. It's usually the case that once a party achieves it's defining pledge or commitment, it then runs out of steam cause there's nothing big left to offer. No ideas.

Achieving independence might render the SNP less relevant over time, as other parties come up with workable economic ideas post an indy ref.

It’s an interesting thought though. Interesting that people think it’s a mad thought - which it obviously is - even though you can’t force a referendum through political means.

I’ve just read Rory Stewart’s book ‘Marches - travels with my father’ - where he walks along the border and reflects on how relatively recent the current border is. It’s a interesting read although a bit long winded.

I live in Scotland, voted No and would do so again. The idea of independence is bonkers. If you are for it, pls tell me how the SNP propose to deal with the border situation and what currency will be used. I have seen no explanation to date.

You just can't extrapolate the election result into pro/anti-independence figures. I voted for Labour, not 'against' the SNP, in this election. And would quite possible vote in favour of Scottish independence if there were another referendum.

That's why I said there would be people on either side moving across depending on their views, and that it was a simple look at how an independence vote might go.

I think it would still be a close vote either way that it swings. Like always, you will hear the screams of yes louder than you will the ones saying no.

Yes I think Scotland will and should go independent now. Why not? People feel alienated in SW London, I can only imagine how they must feel in Scotland. It’s an era of divisiveness and once they “Get Brexit Done,” then we can “Get Scoxit Done” while they think up other catchy, populist chants for getting NI and Wales “done” too. Meanwhile the North / South divide in England will become more entrenched than ever and London will effectively set itself apart from the rest of England. Everyone will be worse off except for the very wealthy and those who emigrate.

@ginghamstarfish thank fuck not everyone's gone insane.

I'm thinking exactly the same.

Freedom! Be our own country! Don't let Westminster rule us!

Actual practical plan for the reality? Nope.

while they think up other catchy, populist chants for getting NI and Wales “done” too.

Nixit and waxit

There really isn't any other viable option in Scotland than SNP. In my area the smp won by a landslide. I think if there is another indyref the yes side will win. Still not sure what I would vote but dh has gone from staunch no to probably yes.

Firm yes last time and an even bigger yes this time!

I'm wondering why there isn’t an armed or terrorist wing of Scottish nationalism.

Read it all now 🙄

@Galvantula, yes there must be a few of us at least, and just found out my local Conservative MP has kept his seat.

I’m wondering why there isn’t an armed or terrorist wing of Scottish nationalism. Not suggesting that there should be obvs. Just intrigued.

It is intriguing! Especially from a historical perspective. I always find it amazing that the Union With England Act ever happened at all. I don't know much about it but it is interesting.

But I thought the last indy vote showed how reasonable and well educated the Scottish people are overall. 16 year olds (damn rightly imo) got the right to vote for something that directly involved their future the most, unlike the Brexit vote. And I remember seeing interviews on TV and honestly they all seemed to be weighing up the issues on either side well. I did not hear immigration as major topic

Whereas neither my son or his cousins or friends could vote in the brexit ref despite being just weeks and months short of 18 and knowing it would affect their futures. I found that totally unreasonable. And some of the shite that went down during the ref: The Big NHS red bus, pictures of floods of refugees and lots of other nonsense really showed how different the outlook and atmosphere is here.

It depends - if it turns out that pro UK parties in Scotland took more than 50% of the vote, despite only returning 11 MPs to Scottish seats, then if/when there's another indy ref, assuming those 50+% vote against independence, we'll be okay. Remember, our PV system doesn't mean vote for vote is counted. So, you need to look at the bigger picture before making assumptions.