Fuck are exit polls always right?

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If that's the case we really need to start protesting properly instead of taking this shit.

What is the point? I mean it hasn't successful thus far has it?

Frankly the press have proven they can print headlines saying black is white and people will accept it. Boris & Co. have the means to do whatever the fuck they want. We have just shown him that we will accept dishonesty and unscrupulous behaviour in to keep the status quo.

No I think the Act on the stage has changed.

hasn't been

Boris even said most the country are thick. I also don't think we have had a proper protest here. Not like some places.

I’ve concluded things aren’t bad enough and by handing out food parcels and toys for those being screwed over we are prolonging this.

Xenia um, the point is that the Conservative Manifesto pledged to remove the 'Fixed Term Parliaments Act', redraw constitutional boundaries, introduce compulsory vote ID, suspend the Levenson enquiry and 'update' the Human Rights Act.

The election process will be fundamentally redrawn.

So your £10,000 is an empty bet.

There won't be a General Election on the same terms as there have been before if the Conservatives implement their Manifesto pledges.

The fixed term parliament act was pretty recent wasn’t it?

And redrawing the constitutional boundaries has been on the cards for years. To make them an equal number of people.

@thehorseandhisboy. Can you tell me what the problem is with requiring voter ID? Everyone has some form of ID and to get in to the labour conference you had to show ID so why not for voting?

There's no problem with redrawing borders to have the same number of people in each constituency, there is a problem if you do it in such a way as to maximize the number of seats for a particular party.

The Green party got 2.7% of the vote. For this they currently get 0.15% of the seats in parliament.

If the border redrawing goes ahead as currently predicted that will fall to ZERO seats, as the conservatives will split the Brighton constituency in such a way that they will get both the new seats created.

Does that sound like a good move for democracy?

@M3lon. Haven’t the boundary changes already been drawn up. I believe it was started under the last Labour government or possibly the coalition. This is not just a new thing the tories have come up with. I personally think it is a bit bonkers. Some of the constituencies will be huge (distance), especially in Scotland.

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Can you tell me what the problem is with requiring voter ID? Everyone has some form of ID

Some form of ID isn't whats being suggested, its photo ID which is too expensive for many of us.
I can't drive or travel. For me the problem is not just that I don't have a valid drivers licence and cant afford a passport or its renewal fee; its that I cannot safely travel to the next town to apply for a passport.

alliwantisagoodnightssleep the problem with voter ID that in practice it will mean photo ID which will mean a valid driving licence or passport.

The social groups least likely to have these documents are lower income ie less likely on the whole to vote Conservative.

It also makes it harder in general for people to vote eg if you forget to take it to the polling station or it has been lost/stolen just before an election.

There were multiple reports online yesterday about Conservative activists outside polling booths in marginals line Chingford and Woodford telling people that they needed ID to vote for example.

In essence, it discourages and puts barriers up to people voting in elections, which is generally considered to be quite undemocratic.

There's no problem with redrawing borders to have the same number of people in each constituency, there is a problem if you do it in such a way as to maximize the number of seats for a particular party

You do realise the current boundary structure actually favours labour?

It has been on the cards for years but got delayed ignored because Blair didn't want to and then the crash, Brexit yada yada

The review of constituency boundaries has already been carried out by the Boundary Commission.

boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2018-review/

The boundary review is independent but was blocked first by the Lib Dems, then Labour, because they didn't want to fix the disadvantage the Tories suffered for partisan reasons.

Yesterday's landslide was won on the old boundaries - it might have been even bigger on the new ones!

Wel they said 80 last night and now we have an 80 majority so why bother witrh all that counting overnite;?..

So just the greens getting unfairly shafted even further then - well I guess that's fine.

you know what would be great? If all votes counted for the same rather than 1 green MP representing the 850,000 green voters and 38,000 per 1 MP in the conservatives.

But no...we have to continue pretending that local issues are a thing and that the internet doesn't exist...

It’s not fair!!

Haha.

The FPTP system isn't fair.

PR would be much better.

Just look at Italy’s shining example of PR.

thehorseandhisboy

I agree. It was a shame the 'alternative voting' system crashed and burned when it was put to referendum - obviously it wasn't PR as such but it was a step in the right direction.

However, I was looking at the vote share and PR wouldn't have made a lot of difference this time round - other than Brexit Party and Greens would have got a seat.

In absence of an overall majority, the conservatives can’t pass laws that the socialists and the lunatic fringe disapprove of. And vice-versa.

So PR doesn’t give you real choice of government that can govern.

It’s much vaunted by electoral losers of all stripes.

I think I can safely say that I would still be in favour of PR even if my party of choice was winning majorities under the current system.

Some people do just geniuinely feel that fairness and representation of a wide variety of political views is important in a health democracy.

Of course those people don't vote Tory...because...well...

There are a lot of very successful countries using PR. They manage to govern and make decisions.

Of course those people don't vote Tory...because...well...

After thursday you would have thought people would be a bit more nuanced instead of still pretending to be some kind of moral guardian.

Looks like there is some way to go yet..