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Disagree with husband about childbirth

654 replies

soshnomore · 11/12/2019 10:34

So I'm not pregnant but hoping to be in the next few months. I have previously told OH I would ideally like a water birth, which he was totally against. He is very much of the opinion that a 'normal birth on land' has worked for 1000s of years so why should I want to do something different.
Last night I brought it up again after reading a study that showed water births can decrease tearing and generally improve a mother's wellbeing during childbirth.
He believes that the more pain you go through, the better your bond with your baby, and cites statistics about mothers who have c-sections being more likely to develop PTSD or PND.
It's like debating with a child. He doesn't listen to my point of view or really take my feelings into consideration at all in the situation.
"I'd rather we find a woman who will carry your egg and give a normal birth than choosing to "lay my eggs in water when they should be laid in a nest"."
I mean come on... He basically said if I had a water birth he would never forgive me.
I've said we can speak to a doctor or a midwife and seek their advice but he is dead set against it and has "had his last word on it".
Am I being unreasonable to think that ultimately the way I give birth is my decision, and he should have more consideration for how I will feel in this whole thing?

OP posts:
TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 11/12/2019 15:32

He believes that the more pain you go through, the better your bond with your baby

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So, what's his plan for bonding with the baby, then? Or is he not going to bother?

If he's like this before a baby is even conceived what will he be like with an actual baby. Will you not be allowed any say, opinion? I'd be thinking very long and hard about having a child with him. His beliefs are unlikely to change.

AllTheUserNamesAreTaken · 11/12/2019 15:33

What sort of twat:

A) thinks they get an opinion about how their wife gives birth, and
B) wants their wife to be in as much pain as possible

Angry
needsahouseboy · 11/12/2019 15:35

He’s not the one giving birth!!
I hired a pool, temperature controlled as well. It was bloody bliss and the last two weeks of my pregnancy were spent eating cake, drinking tea and wallowing in it while watching crappy day time tv. It was fabulous

Fifthtimelucky · 11/12/2019 15:35

I had a water birth with my second but not my first. There was no difference in how I bonded with them.

The water birth was a far more pleasant experience, and if I'd had a third I'd have done it again.

But I agree with everyone else that this should be entirely your choice.

NutButterNutter · 11/12/2019 15:40

OP, as a similar background to him, ask him why, therefore, are the C-section numbers so HUGELY MASSIVE in the Middle East. Does he think his sisters/cousins/most females in the ME have failed because they haven't experienced what he feels is the 'right' birth? While you're on the subject, ask him about the woeful breastfeeding rates. His cultural background should have nothing to do with birth.
Water has been used as a pain relief forever and he should research before making stupid statements. Remind him we're taught to question and research, not make 'finals words' on subjects with no knowledge.

longtompot · 11/12/2019 15:44

Sorry, OP not read the whole thread, but he does realise YOU might not have a choice about how this potential baby is born, as you might need a c sect for, say, emergency reasons?

I would not be having a baby with this person. If he is so adamant on this aspect, what will he be like with your child discipline wise, for example? Is he so fixed with every matter of your relationship?

Thestrangestthing · 11/12/2019 15:49

No op he is a horrible person, he is a misogynistic prick. Good luck in the future if you ever do decide to have a child with this idiot, you're going to need it.

Biancadelrioisback · 11/12/2019 15:53

There are some tribes where the males suspend rocks from their penis and/or balls (usually tied) throughout the labour to show respect to the birthing mother.
It's worked for hundreds of years in their society so why not suggest he does the same? After all, it's a tradition, and he can experience pain to help him bond with the baby

messolini9 · 11/12/2019 16:16

I'm sure you all mean well, it's been an overwhelmingly negative response and hasn't really offered me any helpful advice to deal with the situation.

@soshnomore, I am sorry at how overwhelming your thread must be to read & attempt to process - but there honestly is no 'positive' advice to give you, because the response you want does not exist.

Understandably, you would like to hear advice on how to make him change his mind & accept your wishes. He is not going to! - there is no form of words or magic bullet that can sway someone so entrenched in a ridiculous & damaging belief that it's like debating with a child & who arrogantly dismissed your entirely reasonable wishes by informing you that only HE shall have his last word on it & will never forgive you for exercising your basic human right to our own bodily autonomy. So nobody here can give you that.

What we can give you is the benefit of our own hindsight - much of it here hard-won & offered to others following years of horrible freedom-fighting to escape our own abusive relationships.
Please make no mistake - your marriage is abusive, & you have no chance of persuading your husband to respect your choices.
I am not writing this to be negative about YOU - it is screamingly apparent just from your own descriptions of your husband's attitudes. He believes he is entitled to dictate to you, he wishes you to endure avoidable, excrutiating pain for bizarre superstitious reasons, & if he won't hear the facts from ObsGyn professionals, how is there anything you - who he so clearly disrespects - can say to make him see sense?

If you have a child with him, his behaviour will ramp up so fast you will end up barely recognising your old self. How will you feel when the type of nonsense & sadistic disregard he dishes out to you is inflicted on your daughter? Or when he brainwashes his son with his superstitious beliefs & contrary, needless misogyny? Do you want a son who acts out like his dad? - or perhaps even worse, a son who rebels, or is gay, or who wants to embrace any other religion, or even atheism? How will his daughter manage to escape him before he either ruins her mental health or marries her off to some man who shares his own controlling, domineering beliefs? Or she gravitates toward that type of man of her own accord, because that is how familial abuse perpetrates itself in adulthood?

Again OP - I am so sorry. It feels uncomfortable even contemplating the level of strict control you will end up subjugated to, it must be SO horrible for you to read. You may not be ready yet to take all of this on board, I know I would not have been when I was trapped in my own marriage to a coercive controller. But forewarned is forearmed. My ex was so abusive I had to manage 5 months of death threats before the culmination of my divorce - but even HE would not have loftily informed my that now was my time to suffer unnecessary birthing pain, & that if I didn't do it his way, he would never forgive me.

The most concerning aspect is that you do not yet seem to have reached a place where you can take time to properly assess WHY you are still accepting that he has ANY RIGHT AT ALL to tell you what you are going to do with your own body.
Am I being unreasonable to think that ultimately the way I give birth is my decision, and he should have more consideration for how I will feel in this whole thing?
YANBU!
I hope I can explain this properly ... what kind of a number has been done on your poor mind that you even have to ASK this question?

I really, really hope that you will, if not today, be able to process enough that you can come to see that although these are all very harsh words to read, that harshness is NOT directed at you. Quite the reverse. Everybody here is looking to protect you from a life that will not be so easy to escape, should you yield control to this man by creating a child with him.

Again, I sincerely apologise for my own words, which must surely be painful to read. But I don't apologise for the sentiment underlying them, which is utter horror for your situation, & a sincere hope that you can value yourself enough to decide that nobody is allowed to dictate his views to you, let alone impose his bizarre sadistic notions about birth practices on you.

I hope that one day you have exactly the birth or births YOU wish for OP. Just ... not with this guy. Flowers

SleepingStandingUp · 11/12/2019 16:35

@soshnomorehe wants you to be in pain to prove you love your baby. He'd rather a random baby deliver his child (correctly!) than you be able to do what's right for your body. He's basically telling you that this is his baby, you're his incubator and you'll do as you're told.

That's why the response is negative.

You're not even pregnant and he's this controlling!!

Besidesthepoint · 11/12/2019 16:43

You will end up without a hisband or a child. He believes that it is his child and not really yours. He will take it away from you in time.

This will end in tears unless you dump him and find a reasonable guy.

MiniMum97 · 11/12/2019 16:50

It's absolutely fuck all to do with him. It's your body and your choice how you go about it. When he carries and child fir 9 months and goes through labour he can have an opinion. What a complete fucking arsehole. God your oust has made me so angry on your behalf. Who the fuck dues he think he is!

NarcolepticOuchMouse · 11/12/2019 17:36

"Isn't a horrible husband" wow, setting the standard really high. He is, absolutely, a fucking awful husband. He's championing his wife being in pain, get your head out the sand and realise you're about to ruin your life with this fuckmuppet.

Pinkblueberry · 11/12/2019 17:41

I don’t think you should have a child with this person...

Wakingupnow · 11/12/2019 18:45

I have absolutely no tolerance for men who think women should experience more.pain than necessary during labour. How very fucking generous for him to agree for you to have a more painful birth .

Wanker. Dont have a baby with him. Have a baby with somebody who loves and cares about you

FalldereedilIdo · 11/12/2019 20:09

OP I grew up in Arab Muslim society. I have never, ever come across this kind of attitude. All sorts of casual misogyny yes, but this kind of control is not Arab nor Islamic. Does he not realise how common elective C sections are in the Arab world? With respect I think this is not a culture issue it’s a him issue. If he genuinely is devout then maybe ask your local imam to speak to him and explain that the Koran does not contain antenatal instructions. And if he is generally controlling maybe also speak to the imam and see if there are marriage classes they could recommend?

MitziK · 11/12/2019 20:21

YABTotallyU - to consider allowing this creature to impregnate you.

RightOnTheEdge · 11/12/2019 20:22

I'm horrified that you would consider having a baby with this man.
Do you really want your child to grow up with this man and his appalling views?

I would be very worried about what would happen after the baby was born and how he would want to bring up the child. And his controlling attitude to you.

Mamabear88 · 11/12/2019 20:30

'He believes that the more pain you go through, the better your bond with your baby'

I'd say the exact opposite tbh. I had an incredibly traumatic birth, ended up needing an emergency c section after 34 hours of labour and being in utter agony. By the time my daughter was born I was so exhausted, so overwhelmed, so terrified of the surgery etc that I refused to hold her when she came out and asked her to go to her daddy. I really struggled for weeks after and feel that it affected my bonding with her. I'm smitten and totally in love now but it took me a good while to get to that point. So tell him to do one and you want a water birth and that's that.

WhatsInAName19 · 11/12/2019 20:37

OP, having a child together requires so much cooperation, mutual respect and teamwork. I'm deadly serious: this is the tip of a very large iceberg. Every single day my husband and I have to make decisions - sometimes minute, sometimes with potentially life-altering consequences - regarding our child. The fact that we share the same core values means that, although we might not always agree, our fundamental beliefs and wishes for our child are the same. I just can't see how two people with such opposing views - one liberal and one a misogynist - could successfully raise a child together. There are no do-overs. You are committing to a lifetime of this man attempting to overrule you and inflict his misogyny on you and your offspring. What if you have a daughter? How will he coach her through life, and model in your relationship the kind of treatment that you would want her to accept from a partner? Will he be enforcing TI-style virginity testing throughout her teenage years? It's not exactly a stretch. He believes he has the final word on your body, so why not his daughter's?

Think very carefully. Is this a man you want to be inexorably linked to for the rest of your life? A man you want to be enforcing his misogynistic beliefs onto your daughters?

Bloodless · 11/12/2019 20:40

Yeah, I’m with most other people ...leave this specimen

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 11/12/2019 20:45

He believes that the more pain you go through, the better your bond with your baby,

Tell him to get stuffed, that bit alone had me eye rolling!
When he gets to push a baby out then he can have an opinion.
As Rachel from Friends says - "no uterus, no opinion" Grin
As for the rest of the stuff he's spouting - there's no words.
Do the birth what's best for YOU as you're the one who has to go through labour.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 11/12/2019 20:49

OK, just re-read the rest, I was too busy flapping at the him telling you what to do for it all to sink in.
"I'd rather we find a woman who will carry your egg and give a normal birth than choosing to "lay my eggs in water when they should be laid in a nest".
WTAF.
LTB
and I never usually say that. He sounds awful, sorry Sad

Universalcredithelp1 · 11/12/2019 20:52

That's not a traditional Muslim view op. He's just being dim

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 11/12/2019 20:54

What helpful advice were you expecting, OP?