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I find Corbyn deeply unsettling

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Yarboosucks · 10/12/2019 19:26

There is something about the man that makes me shudder - the cold detachment of the man.

I really do worry about what would be unleashed if he were elected.

I can cope with much of the sentiment in the Labour manifesto, but not the man. Similar feelings about Mc Donnell, but he seems to manage to pull out some humanity in interviews

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ArseDarkly · 11/12/2019 11:35

I think most people who attain positions of power are somewhat ruthless and self-serving

Yes, maybe 'somewhat' but not totally as Boris Johnson is.

we have to hold them to account and make sure they do the right thing

How will we do that with the Tories when they constantly lie and mislead people? People will be too baffled and downtrodden to hold them to account - that's how these things start

LemonPrism · 11/12/2019 11:38

But he's so passionate how do you see him as cold? Because he's not red in the face from his blustering and shit diet like BJ and doesn't wear statement earrings like no?

Medievalist · 11/12/2019 11:42

Lemon - what's he so passionate about? Helping those most in need? Best way to do that is to get Labour elected. Best way to get Labour elected would have been for JC to stand down.

He's passionate about his principles and won't compromise. Great for a backbencher. Not great for getting his party into power.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 11/12/2019 11:53

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SecondaryBurnzzz · 11/12/2019 12:01

*Corbyn is either incredibly stupid or incredibly vain. Labour has the best chance in years to get into power and they won't because so many people just won't vote for him.

He should have stood aside months ago so that a more credible and vote-worthy leader could have been put into place.*

I agree too medievalist he is so unpopular with so many people that surely Kier Starmer would have been a better choice?

I will still vote Labour though, my MP is wonderful.

whatyournamebabee · 11/12/2019 12:07

I really like Boris. Maybe he's not ideal for PM, but it's a tough job. It doesn't mean we should vote for someone worse just to get him out.

The main issue is you can't spend spend spend on everything even if it's a worthy cause. There has been a lack of funding in services in the NHS that has affected me, but I understand they cannot pay for everything. It's a shame but I'm realistic, that the money has to come from somewhere.

I prefer not to keep swapping parties in government. I think this is a massive waste of money in its self.

And I didn't blame the homeless people Hmm, I said it's complex and I've seen many a documentary when they give people homes and they can't cope and end up getting evicted again due to their antisocial behaviour, so go back to the streets. Yes the support isn't there but you can't have someone 1-2-124-7 managing your life.

FizzAfterSix · 11/12/2019 12:08

Staggered that posters such as @StarbucksSmarterSister are seeking to minimise the really horrendous acts of anti-Semitism perpetrated and tolerated by Corbyn.

Please read the interview with Luciana Berger, who describes in horrifying detail, the attacks she receives daily from Corbyn's followers.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/luciana-berger-interview-corbyn-and-labours-antisemitism-crisis-crgdng6w6

Sadly it's behind a paywall, but here is an excerpt:

The Labour Party is, in Berger’s view, guilty of appalling double standards. “It is institutionally racist. I don’t make that claim lightly but I arrive at that conclusion having done my very best over the course of almost a year.” She was the first MP to demand an explanation from Corbyn of his decision to defend a 2012 mural depicting Jewish bankers balancing a Monopoly board on the backs of the poor. “It was horrific so I sought a response from the leader’s office. They said he’s too busy with constituency commitments. I thought this is not acceptable in any way, shape or form.”

When hundreds of people protested against antisemitism in Parliament Square last March, she addressed the crowd. “The British Jewish community took to Parliament Square to demonstrate not against a far-right party or a fringe group, but against Her Majesty’s Opposition. In the wake of that extraordinary event, it was incumbent on the Labour Party to do everything possible to turn that situation around.” Instead, it was months before Corbyn accepted an international definition of antisemitism. “There was a summer of antisemitism, when there almost wasn’t a day that went by without an article that exposed Jeremy’s own involvement and actions.” What caused most offence, she says, “was the video of him saying that British Jews ‘don’t understand English irony’, that we were seen as the ‘other’. That really struck to the core.”

That cannot stop the virulent attacks she receives on Twitter, many of them from Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters on the hard left. She scrolls through her email inbox, which is full of vile messages from anonymous correspondents calling her an “arrogant y* whore” and telling her to “go and live in Israel you f*ing piece of shit”. One says, “We f**ed and killed your ilk out of here almost 100 years ago.” I’m shocked, but she says she gets emails like that all the time. “They have to stay in the inbox until the police have seen them,” she explains. “People say, ‘You’re so brave,’ but the only reason anyone thinks that is because so few other people speak out. I’m just standing up for what I believe in.”

BertrandRussell · 11/12/2019 12:09

“ I really like Boris.“

Can you say what you like about him? I only know Tories who are holding their noses and voting (like many Labour supporters). I don’t know anyone who actively supports him.

Thenamedame · 11/12/2019 12:16

Genuinely not a clue what your talking about in your description of him however, i will repeat what I've been repeating for weeks on this subject.........

IT'S AND ELECTION NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST! VOTE FOR POLICIES NOT PERSONALITIES

whatyournamebabee · 11/12/2019 12:20

@BertrandRussell nope I can't really say why I like Boris because of course I don't know him. But it's the same thing as the OP saying they find Corbyn unsettling, just my personal feeling.

I am open minded on parties and haven't always voted. But I won't be voting Labour, because I'm realistic and their ideas are not. It's the same people peddling labour, that said the world would end if we voted leave.

AutumnCrow · 11/12/2019 12:22

Conservative austerity, which disproportionately affects women, children and disabled people, makes me shudder.

No Tory twerping or spad-botting on here is going to make me stop despising Johnson.

I'm voting tactically to try to prevent a Tory winning in my constituency.

BertrandRussell · 11/12/2019 12:22

This.

I find Corbyn deeply unsettling
IwantToDatePicard · 11/12/2019 12:22

I agree with you OP. Poor leadership, and I don't vote Con either.

Hedgehogparty · 11/12/2019 12:26

I would take Corbyn over Johnson any day.
The philandering and lying plus the disaster of the last 9 harsh years of austerity make it a no brainer for me.

astralweaks · 11/12/2019 12:32

Interesting that Keir Starmer is notable by his absence. Can only presume he is being kept away from all this in order to be the best successor to Corbyn - when the time comes. After the election will be the time because Labour are going to fall flat again. The electorate needs a choice and maybe in Starmer they will have one.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 11/12/2019 12:51

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hamstersarse · 11/12/2019 12:54

IT'S AND ELECTION NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST! VOTE FOR POLICIES NOT PERSONALITIES

You make the enormous assumption that this is not what people who do not vote for Labour are doing.

The blindness in your thinking is staggering.

Do you not think that people who do not vote labour care about the poor and NHS? You are seriously deluded if you think this.

What is different is the fundamental way in which you chose to tackle this. Corbyn is via tax hikes. The Tories are about wealth creation in the economy (at a very basic level)

I don't think a big welfare state does anything good for people in the long-run. Can you honestly say that the benefits system was not out of control about a decade ago? At a very basic psychological level, taking responsibility away from people (i.e. living costs, food responsibility etc.) does not make for responsible citizens in the long run, yes it should be there short-term when people are in a pickle, but it is not a lifestyle that the state should support.

I don't believe that simply pouring more money at benefits is the best way, I am open to looking at things like Universal Basic Income for example. And by the way I have worked head on in the welfare system, and I know first hand that throwing benefits at people is not a catch all good thing.

So thank you for your reminder to look at policies, but yes, I've done it and still don't agree with you.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 11/12/2019 12:59

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hamstersarse · 11/12/2019 13:03

Out of interest from the Corbyn supporters, would you be able to explain to me why you think people class him as FAR left?

I would be really interested to hear your interpretation of why that accusation is thrown at him. And why you think people might see that as a problem?

BertrandRussell · 11/12/2019 13:09

hamstersarse- when you say Corbyn supporters, do you literally mean that or do you mean Labour supporters?

hamstersarse · 11/12/2019 13:13

@bertrandrussell

Either really - there is constant narrative about this Labour party being the most far left it has been for decades and I'm wondering what that means to supporters - presumably they know what that means and are happy with it?

heyjoeyitsestelle · 11/12/2019 13:13

Not voting labour purely because you don't like Corbyn - is like burning your house down because you don't like the curtains.

hamstersarse · 11/12/2019 13:15

Not voting labour purely because you don't like Corbyn - is like burning your house down because you don't like the curtains.

He is the leader. Of course it matters. Or do you think a leader makes no difference to outcomes?

BertrandRussell · 11/12/2019 13:18

I’m a Labour voter, not a
Corbyn supporter. The Manifesto is not hard left- it is to the left of centre. Sort of European social democrat. The hard left narrative is continually drip fed fake news. Well constructed scare tactics.

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