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VG/Prince Andrew - to say I wasn’t sure before but I believe her

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 07:05

I posted in a thread after the Prince Andrew interview, and although I didn’t believe him about everything he said, I wasn’t wholly convinced at that time that he was lying about sleeping with young girls, about seeing things in Epstein’s houses that should have repelled him, about having sex with Virginia Roberts in particular. I just didn’t think there was certainty to be had.

I am convinced now. I believed every word she was allowed to say last night and I am only sad they didn’t give her more air time. Prince Andrew has very serious questions to answer.

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Sagradafamiliar · 03/12/2019 19:12

God, how disgusting. The child who should've stopped themselves from being groomed and abused by 'just walking away' eh. Sickened. Truly.

AhNowTed · 03/12/2019 19:12

In 2005, police in Palm Beach, Florida, began investigating Epstein after a parent complained that he had sexually abused her 14-year-old daughter.[6] Epstein pleaded guilty and was convicted in 2008 by a Florida state court of procuring an underage girl for prostitution and of soliciting a prostitute.[7] He served almost 13 months in custody, but with extensive work release. He was convicted of only these two crimes as part of a plea deal; federal officials had in fact identified 36 girls, some as young as 14 years old, whom Epstein had sexually abused.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

36 girls, some as young as 14.

But yeah carry on with your "they could have left" bullshit, or educate yourself on coercion, control, abuse and power. There's plenty of cases on MN we can point you to.

Brimful · 03/12/2019 19:16

@TheMidasTouch

I know what I was like at 16 and that is who I am talking about.

This is victim blaming mentality. Do you think victims are weaker than you were at 16? Because they weren't/aren't. They were most likely more vulnerable, or in the wrong place at the wrong time, and/or simply targeted and expertly groomed.

It has nothing to do with how they dress, what profession they want to do, how impressed they are by fame/fortune, but everything to do with expert coercion and control of predators. Add money into the mix -a rich predator with all the powder that brings - and you have a recipe for endless victims.

You really have no idea how you'd have reacted (which I'm very glad about) but some of your comments are at worst offensive, at best naive; and part of the problem as to why some victims struggle to come forward and come to terms with what they've been through.

I wish I could have said 'no' but I didn't know how, it was incredibly confusing and I felt what was happening was my fault. Terrified isn't the word. I am not weaker than you, I was simply in a circumstance you have been fortune enough to have never been in.

Brimful · 03/12/2019 19:18

*power, not powder, clearly!

MyBlueMoonbeam · 03/12/2019 19:19

@TheMidasTouch - many of your comments are truly abhorrent and have made me sick to my stomach

theWarOnPeace · 03/12/2019 19:27

I could weep with frustration at some of the responses here. Oh what a position some people are in, to have zero concept of the perspective of a victim.

TatianaLarina · 03/12/2019 19:27

I agree @MyBlueMoonbeam

I think we should report this thread. Her comments are utterly nauseating.

AhNowTed · 03/12/2019 19:29

@TatianaLarina

It serves a better purpose to leave the thread up.

TatianaLarina · 03/12/2019 19:29

Some of the comments from posters here and the mentality is so vile that they actually repellent.

TatianaLarina · 03/12/2019 19:31

It serves a better purpose to leave the thread up.

How? There’s misogyny and victim blaming all over the internet. All over the world. This is supposed to be forum for women. Instead, it’s just being used as a platform for revolting views.

I don’t see why misogyny is any different to racism. A thread with racist views would be pulled, quite rightly.

LaurieMarlow · 03/12/2019 19:32

I thought JRM’s little example had warned ppl of the dangers of speculating what they would have done in a situation they had never been in, coming from a position of much greater privilege than the ppl in question.

It makes you sound like a dense, victim blaming, cunt.

Is that the look you’re going for Midas?

StartupRepair · 03/12/2019 19:33

Isn't there footage of Trump laughing and saying 'Epstein likes them young'? That indicates to me that it was clearly known why the young girls were at all his properties.

MyBlueMoonbeam · 03/12/2019 19:35

@TatianaLarina

A PP said they had reported it this morning what are the moderators thinking?

Sagradafamiliar · 03/12/2019 19:36

I agree with you Tatiana but at least if it's left standing, people will see that those disgusting views are challenged and the poster in question is exposed.

Brimful · 03/12/2019 19:37

It makes you sound like a dense, victim blaming, cunt. Is that the look you’re going for Midas?

Well they did really, really well if that's what they were aiming for.

MyBlueMoonbeam · 03/12/2019 19:38

*It makes you sound like a dense, victim blaming, cunt.

Is that the look you’re going for Midas?*

Well said @LaurieMarlow

TatianaLarina · 03/12/2019 19:38

Why should posters who’ve experienced sexual abuse have to read this though?

It’s making me feel sick and I’ve never experienced anything untoward.

derxa · 03/12/2019 19:41

Are people so weak that they can't read objectionable posts and make their own minds up. If not for this thread I wouldn't have read the Miami herald article. I now understand everything so much better.

AhNowTed · 03/12/2019 19:43

@TatianaLarina

Because those views are in the minority and the posters vehemently challenged.

Leave it where it is in case another naive, thick or downright victim-blamer happens to stroll by.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 03/12/2019 19:43

I think it should stay up, or else people will just use this goady tactic on other threads as way of getting them closed down.

I actually think there have been max 3 - 4 willfully/deliberately provocative posters. The rest of the ignorance has been genuine and people are entitled to an opposite opinion, even if it's slightly upsetting.

AhNowTed · 03/12/2019 19:45

@LaurieMarlow

"I thought JRM’s little example had warned ppl of the dangers of speculating what they would have done in a situation they had never been in, coming from a position of much greater privilege than the ppl in question.

It makes you sound like a dense, victim blaming, cunt."

Brilliantly put. I had the same thought but you've saved me the bother of trying to articulate it.

Schuyler · 03/12/2019 19:50

” It makes you sound like a dense, victim blaming, cunt.”

Great comment. I’m going to steal this for future reference.
I’m utterly horrified at some of the misogyny on this thread and victim blaming and the twisting themselves to exonerate rich, privileged men who’d probably trample over you in the street.

TatianaLarina · 03/12/2019 19:50

@AhNowTed

I think the thread should stand, but the misogynist posts should be deleted. You’d expect that of racism, no?

TatianaLarina · 03/12/2019 19:54

FWIW I don’t have a problem with posters questioning events, or not really understanding grooming or coercion or trafficking.

But that’s very different from outright misogyny and victim-blaming.

We’re always told by MNHQ not to swear but to report.

Technically Laurie has been driven to break the Ts&Cs.