To not tip the takeaway delivery guy?

[Rockingdahorse]

DH is out tonight, ordered myself a small pizza.

Came to 4.60, with delivery fee and 'card charge' the total was 8.50

Delivery driver dropped it off, but as I didn;t have any change I didn't tip. Felt bad about it, till I thought that if I tipped I would have paid more in 'charges' than my actual food.

AIBU?

To clarify, it gig economy workers like those with Uber Eats who make less than min wage, not direct employees or restaurants.

My DH works two jobs (help make ends meet while I'm on mat leave), one being evening takeaway delivery. They do get paid per hour but it's only £6ph. They get £1 per delivery unless it's further afield and might stretch £2 or £3. The small numbers do add up but it's definitely always wonderful and goes a long, long way when a couple of people have tipped him. IMO it's incredibly kind to tip but no one is obliged to and it doesn't make a person unkind to not tip.

@Outsomnia it’s peoples personal preference to tip or not. No need to be so offended and make it into a class divide!

As it goes, unless my deliveries ridiculously late, I’ll tip a couple of pound. I do feel guilty if I don’t. I’m not sure I’d want to tip if the service charges outweighed the cost of my meal though!

I always tip! I make sure it’s alway a couple quid. I always think If most people do it then the rubbish minimum wage goes a bit further. They get so badly paid.

I always give the change or at least £1 if paid by card/app.

I tip a pound or two. It's low paid work.

Tip a pound and don't agonise over it is my view.

I used to be a take away driver and most don't pay you a wage, you keep the delivery charge, which was often £1/2 but you could run out on only 1 delivery a lot of the time. Tips made up a big part of the wages, as you pay your fuel

I could often work 7-12 and earn £10/15

Pizza Hut though paid a minimum wage and you kept tips but you were using own car fuel, so it didn't really work out as worth my while.

I always tip, usually £2 and I always tip at least 10% in restaurants. I remember how much of a difference tips made when I was doing similar work.

Sorry so yes it's unreasonable not to tip , as really when I did it we relied on tips to make money, the delivery charges paid my fuel and the tips were my wages,

No tips , meant a unsuccessful night of earning nothing.

I tip a couple of quid. However I have no idea what, for example, the amazon guy gets and I would never tip him.

If i had to tip a delivery driver that would often mean I couldnt afford the takeaway in the first place as I often scrape together my change just to pay for the meal itself which i consider a rare treat to myself, so I dont see why i should go without when ive worked hard to save up for the takeaway in the first place.

Of course its nice to tip if you can but not everyone is in a position to do so and just because Im having a takeaway doesnt mean im better off financially than the takeaway driver.

Of course YANBU! They’re being paid NMW anyway. Tip if you’d like to but never feel obligated. I did pizza delivery for three years and being tipped more than 50p change was fairly rare, for any of us, and it was absolutely fine as you’ve already paid for the service in the price of your food and delivery charge. So bizarre how feeling like tipping is mandatory is becoming so common in the U.K. despite us having NMW for those jobs, unlike in the USA where the tips do form the salary.

I always tip a delivery driver just like I would always tip in a restaurant

I know of a couple of people who didn't earn minimum wage. One was £1 a delivery so well below and totally depended on tips. Since learning that, I only order if I can afford to tip.

For all those that tip, would you consider saving it up and asking for it to be distributed among all staff?

Eh? So waiting six months, ordering once a month, then driving to the takeaway , that I've never been in in my life, and handing in six pounds and saying split it between the staff, I've saved my pounds for six months?

Eh no, I wouldn't. Who would?

Of course YANBU! They’re being paid NMW anyway
Many aren't, not even close.

Im baffled by tipping in most situations. In this case, its a low value low skill service with little potential for the value add service that a tip would reward.

Further more its totally unclear why some low paid low skilled workers deserve this yet others don't. I feel that by tipping some workers, it allows employers & govt to set a national minimum wage that is not high enough and create a two tier hierarchy between low paid low skilled workers who get tips & those who don't and barely make ends meet.

Its the only service I use that i can think of where I know staff are paid below minimum wage. There might be more I'm missing...
I suppose the ethical thing rather than tipping would be to only get delivery from companies who pay a living wage.

Spamantha

Then that’s illegal, and while I would of course want that to be stamped out i don’t think it’s a viable solution for the end customer to be expected to pay the driver’s wages. For many reasons.

I always tip at least a couple pounds and 10/15% at restaurants. In my student days did similiar-ish job and my goodness the way people are treated is really quite degrading by some members of the public.
So I choose to try and make someone else's day just a bit better.

Anyone working for less than NMW should report their employer.

Anyone self employed and not charging enough for their services to earn NMW needs to brush up their maths & turn down work that does not pay enough. If everyone does this supply and demand will force tho jobs to up their rates.

Tipping culture generally annoys me, only for that I feel it drives the wrong behaviours from employers, e.g. Not paying their employees a good enough wage to begin with. I don't think customers should have to supplement the employees income when the bosses are making the big money.

I know this isn't the case in every single instance, but bigger corporations should lead the way.

Then that’s illegal, and while I would of course want that to be stamped out i don’t think it’s a viable solution for the end customer to be expected to pay the driver’s wages. For many reasons.
No it isn't. It's the gig economy. Delivery drivers for Uber Eats, Just Eat or whatever else aren't considered 'workers' so aren't entitled to, and don't get anything like, minimum wage.

The industry has changed drastically, and for the worse, in recent years.

Ah, that’s true. I wasn’t thinking of gig economy drivers admittedly, more ones employed by a takeaway like I was. I do boycott Uber Eats and Deliveroo personally as I think they’re incredibly exploitative. Still maintain though that tipping is an individual choice and nobody should feel obliged to tip.