AIBU to think that Mumsnet is becoming increasingly less feminist and that this..

[BertrandRussell]

..is a bad thing?

It's a pity I think that this thread has like all the others become about trans issues.

OP I agree MN is less feminist, more abuse/porn apologist, more NAMALTist , etc. There's lots to be angry about, to worry about - the number of women killed by their partners/exes each week, what our daughters have to face from their porn educated boyfriends, the fact we have just "celebrated" equal pay day, the Ohio shit, the fact we all seem to believe it is cleaner and better to rip our pubes out with hot wax.

I agree mn is much less feminist than it used to be.

( and fwiw I am Gender Critical or a Terf or whatever, you want to call me but it does get tedious that all these threads become about that- and i KNOW how important this issue is).

@HelloCheeky - all very interesting points and ones that would be great to examine in a Feminism board ...

Hey I was a transchild ( I called myself a boys name and did maths and everything)
Mostly grew out of it though ( not the maths)
, it's perfectly normal and ( exceptions are possible ) doesn't need any medical treatment

I think there is a support group for parents of trans-identifying children on the feminsit boards

Apologies @Pinkblueberry I got you mixed up with another poster.

However, I am interested in why you think that wanting to defend women's rights is 'transphobic' though?

What, exactly, is being 'widely accepted in the real world'?

@BertrandRussell- just how old are you?

Whoa...Ageism and misogyny ...Bertrand ( sorry , assuming your sex) , do you have any other protected characteristics that can be used for terms or abuse?

However, I am interested in why you think that wanting to defend women's rights is 'transphobic' though?

When did I say defending women’s rights is transphobic? You’re putting a lot of words into my mouth this evening @PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind
This is why many avoid the feminism board - posters just get accused of saying/meaning things they haven’t... you can’t have a sensible debate like that.

But MN has never been a feminist site.

MNHQ has said that it 'is not a feminist site but a site to discuss feminism'

Pinkblueberry

OK, can you give some examples of the transphobia you have seen then? And some examples of when you have tried to join in with 'sensible debate' and what has been said back?

What do you mean by what is 'widely accepted in the real world'?

“ @BertrandRussell- just how old are you?”

Why?

BertrandRussell they’re probably just trying to work out if they can shout “OK boomer” at you, as well as transphobia.

I've left the feminist boards because I support the trans community and I'm sick of reading nonsense about it.

I participate in other feminist forums that focus on issues I care about- such as male on female violence, the wage gap, unconscious bias, representation in power etc.

I don't care to read about some 'boogeyman' trans person who apparently fakes it to use a women's locker room at the gym or whatever.

It's cannibalised the conversation on the feminist boards and real issues aren't being addressed.

When you say you “support the trans community” what do you mean?

I participate in other feminist forums that focus on issues I care about- such as male on female violence, the wage gap, unconscious bias, representation in power etc

Do you not understand, those things are some of the things that concern GC women?

Karen White, was put in a womens prison because she claimed hee gender entitled to be there. She then raped female inmates with her penis? How is that not a concern, if you are worried about violence against women?

Representation is power? There been several instance where the women held up as the first to achieve something or proof that women can rise to the top, are people who had the luxury of Male privilege for part or most of the journey. That doesnt concern you?

Don't tell me that your support for the trans community goes as far as wanting transwomen in female spaces , yet at the same time you have concerns for sexual violence against women, yet there is no difference between transwomen and men when it comes to sexual violence against women. My brain couldn't cope with such a number of simultaneously opposing viewpoints!

This thread is like a case study in reasons why I never want to be identified as a feminist.

Why's that?

There's a thread where the OP asked a question about Caitlyn Jenner. It's a textbook example of why people are muting the feminism threads.

Some may be but others arent. I think it was the second or third highest topic for traffic on MN. Someone will know the figures better than me. The increase in traffic to the board over the last year of two was also significant.

I participate in other feminist forums that focus on issues I care about- such as male on female violence, the wage gap, unconscious bias, representation in power etc.

How on earth are you supposed to deal with those issues when you can't define 'male and female'?

For example, the wage gap could easily be 'solved' if men can identify as women.

Pips Bunce won an award for 'Women in Business' last year. Pips is a male who was already very senior in the financial sector before he decided to wear a dress and makeup to work a few days a week.

How are we supposed to deal with the issue of male on female violence when articles such as this one are becoming increasingly common?

www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article236647643.html

Note that this article has now actually been amended after people complained about the batshittery, but details of the original article are here.

www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2019/woman-sets-person-on-fire/

If you care about male on female violence, why do you think its OK for males to be allowed into female spaces, if they 'identify' in the right way?

Baloonphobia
I'm inclined to agree with you on that front, although I do agree with some of the comments about how Bruce'e life before transitioning to Caitlin isn't comparable to the many struggles of natal women when awarding women awards.

There was potentially an interesting discussion to be had about sympathising with individuals who are transitioning (even if one believes sex is fixed), whilst having concerns about systemic abuse of the trans agenda by those who seek to limit women's rights and voices.

I do think many people one FWR will have those debates and there's a range of interesting views. From someone looking in it strikes me that some regular posters get frustrated with the same old "just asking questions" or "why are you mean" posts and that's quite understandable at times. I'm not convinced many of the information seeking / please explain to me threads are started in good faith.

Anyway- is there any way we could move away from the trans issue on this thread?

@BertrandRussell - ha - if you cannot Stop a whole board (FWR);from having a mono focus obsession, what hope is there for this thread?

@kateandme Karen White is one person. Women in their thousands are raped on their own homes by their partners. Women in their hundreds are murdered by their parters every year. Every day in this country children witness violence in the home.

Yet we devote so much energy and space on this forum to a small group of people, of whom there are very few examples of criminality or anti social behaviour. People cherry pick examples like Karen White but they aren't representative or pervasive as some would have us believe

This thread is like a case study in reasons why I never want to be identified as a feminist.

Rest assured, no one would ever give you that compliment.

To go back to the original question: yes YABU OP. We have had an influx of members from a different website, it happens on the net. I am a feminist and I am glad that more people are here being exposed to more feminist viewpoints.