AIBU to think that Mumsnet is becoming increasingly less feminist and that this..

[BertrandRussell]

..is a bad thing?

Agreed. I would prefer this to be a safe space for women away from the misogynists

“ I do not agree with putting women front and centre because that would mean female supremacy.”

Well it would if we currently had equality..

The problem with feminism on Mumsnet is that you’ve got to hold certain views or you’re accused of being a MRA. It’s ridiculous. I’ve hidden the feminism topic

YANBU

How are the two different?
Why would we want to be subject to toxic masculinity?

Also, the mansplanning. I have enough of it on real life I don’t want it here too

My feminism centres on the destruction of the patriarchy.

Out of the top 20 posts in feminist chat 19 are about trans issues.

They are not about 'trans issues', they are about women's rights. Being able to judge the impact of things like court changes upon women rests on being able to define the word woman.

Women are often expected to do that bit of "niceness" when they are stating their opinions.

It’s not ‘niceness’ to recognise that your opinion is not fact. But I would agree it’s something more common in women - because stating things as facts when they are not is often more of a male trait - but aspiring to behave more like arrogant and ignorant men is not what feminism is to me.

Volcanion
Integrated Domestic Abuse Courts are not a new idea. There was an experimental one in Croydon a while back, the exist in the US and Canada and Scotland are also considering them.

www.gov.scot/publications/evidence-effectiveness-integrated-domestic-abuse-courts/pages/5/

Whilst women clearly have an interest in the proposed pilot in England and Wales, I can understand why it isn’t the main topic on the Feminism board.

I think it really really depends on the threads you read. I think the relationships threads are often highly feminist with women building each other up and reminding them of their worth and helping them recalibrate what is reasonable. It certainly opened my eyes.

The same topics not in the relationships topic - often not feminist with lots of ‘men don’t see dust’ bullshit.

I agree, on both counts. And YADNBU.

“ The problem with feminism on Mumsnet is that you’ve got to hold certain views or you’re accused of being a MRA. It’s ridiculous. I’ve hidden the feminism topic”
If you’ve hidden the topic, how do you know?

I think some people, myself included, are put off by the domination of the trans issues and as a result, just avoid the whole section.

Yes, I understand that- and I feel a bit that way myself sometimes. But I’m not talking about the feminist boards. One of the examples I gave was on Radio Addicts!

I do agree to an extent that if you looked at the feminist board you would think women's rights are only under attack from TRAs and of course that is clearly not the case. I suspect that's because this site is one of the few places in the world where women can discuss this openly. But it's important to keep our eye on the whole pitch, not just the person who has the ball at the moment (to completely make up a crap football analogy).

I think there's always been a mix of views and room for interesting debate.

What I seems to exist more at the moment is a range of very bizarre posts that seem to either promote fixed gender norms or try to use feminism to argue that dated stereotypes are actually in women's interests.

E.g. One recent thread had women saying that anyone who would expect to go 50/50 on a date has low expectations of men, and are just trying to be cool. Apparently women are doing men a favour by allowing them to pay etc.
I felt my eyes roll into the back of my head with the arguments that it's not dated, it's manners and being a gentleman, it shows you a man's character and that he wants to provide... But don't you dare suggest traditional gender values in one area might have a knock on elsewhere because that's totally not the case at all. Men paying for dates is actually a sign of equality don't you know.

I guess there isn’t much point having people speak up more if they don’t actually have a feminist agenda. I think Op was just commenting on the increased passivity of the forum in respect of women’s rights

Years, and many name changes ago, I was very active on the FWR board. But I disagree with the current, near exclusive, focus on trans issues and avoid the section now. The poorly disguised transphobia that permeates many posts really bothers me.

Many women don't realise that they are misogynistic, I still have blind spots.

If someone is informed that they are harming themselves and other females in order to place a male above all others, that's their choice. There was a time when vulnerable people would be safeguarded from such a woman, maybe that will return again.

Many posters have stepped away from the 'feminist' threads because of the overwhelming anti-trans vibe that takes over said threads. I expect more would engage if the threads did not inevitably take such a nasty turn.

You can be a feminist without trampling over others.

Agree, I’ve just been piled on for supporting trans people and their right to use a space they feel comfortable and for supporting Plaid Cymru in their attempt to legislate against trans discrimination.

This view means I’m not a feminist and care not at all for the safety of women.

I don’t really care what they think about me but it’s disheartening that most of these threads are about trans people and not about more pressing issues affecting our safety and equality.

Women are very obviously going to talk about this attack on our existing rights and on the freedom to believe in basic science without being reported to your employer or taken to court.
It's not 'anti-trans' to be concerned about this, or to be concerned about the massive increase in young women going down an extremely dangerous route to sterilisation and loss of sexual function.

A very high majority of threads are full of examples of internalised misogyny

I expect more would engage if the threads did not inevitably take such a nasty turn

This too, I wanted to keep debating but I’ve had to disengage with it for now, they wouldn’t say these things to my face so why say it online?