How anyone can vote Tory?

[Stella8686]

After seeing some pro labour and pro conservatives posts recently I am genuinely interested to see what makes someone vote conservative

OTHER THAN

1. Hard/ quick Brexit
2. Looking after your own finances
3. Hatred for Labour/ Corbyn

ABIU to not be able to think of any single other reason to vote conservative?

....and an even larger number of economists have branded labour’s policies as economic suicide Starbucks so your point is?

@fligglepige

Regarding the deficit, assuming you genuinely don't understanding, think of it like this:

As a nation, when the Cons came to power we were earning £100 per week and spending £110.

They have reduced this to us spending £102 per week, but clearly that's still more going out than coming in, so the national debt is still rising.

What many labour supporters want is for us to continue to spend vastly more than we earn and if we don't do that it's apparently because the Tories want all disabled people to die, and enjoy seeing children starving.

Alternatively, they think 'someone' (but not them of course) should put more into the pot.

I will be voting Conservative because I don't want Corbyn and his cronies to bankrupt the country with all this over spending. If he puts taxes up for the very rich they will move to a tax haven and then where will he get his money for all this? Probably by putting up every ones taxes and then borrowing it and putting this country into a bigger debt.

Actually news just in is that several big investment banks think JC government a better bet than a no deal Brexit financially.

@DowntownAbby if only this were so simple. Tories are spending shit loads, not least £70 billion on Brexit, which has gone nowhere so far.

and an even larger number of economists have branded labour’s policies as economic suicide Starbucks so your point is?

Have they? Was there a letter from 165+ economists that I missed?

The FT which is very anti Tory (sadly) doesn't think Labour's plans will work very well www.ft.com/content/439d7270-cfb8-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f - "

"The impulse that lies behind Labour’s plans is not social democratic but socialist. None of Britain’s EU partners pursues the policies Labour proposes of transferring large sections of the private sector into government hands and expropriating shares without compensation. Such an approach risks delivering for UK workers not the comfortable living standards of egalitarian northern Europe but economic stagnation and a return to the bad old days of command and control. "

Despite years of painful austerity, the UK’s level of public spending is today no lower as a share of national income than it was after 11 years of a Labour government in 2008, according to a report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies

Labour has received the firm backing of 163 prominent economists who say the party understands the nation’s deep-seated problems and has devised a “serious programme” for dealing with them.

In a letter published in the Financial Times, the group said Labour’s plans to invest in homes, schools and infrastructure make basic economic sense.

yes but they were left wing economists. It is not some kind of Full Fact guarantee that Labour's economic policies are better than the Tories.

Anyway let us see if Corbyn get a majority by the end of the week and which party the British public trusts the most.

The problem = Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell, Milne and promises to return to the 1970’s flying pickets, union strikes all the time, out of control spending

The problem = Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell, Milne and promises to return to the 1970’s flying pickets, union strikes all the time, out of control spending

Ridiculous scaremongering. Is this really the best you’ve got? Criticise the policies - always assuming you know what they are - by all means but please can people stop parroting this nonsense? It’s insulting everyone else’s intelligence.

@Xenia sadly as shit as the Tories are at most things they are great at spin and also have most of the media in their pockets, hence the whole anti-Semitic rage . I’m
Not holding out much hope as the voting public are generally a bit thick and believe everything they read in the Daily Fail. 😔

@Alsohuman really?! 🙄

Really what?

The problem = Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell, Milne and promises to return to the 1970’s flying pickets, union strikes all the time, out of control spending

Terrifying. The economy will crash and burn under these clowns and their far-left policies.

he Tories are at most things they are great at spin and also have most of the media in their pockets, hence the whole anti-Semitic rage

Fortunately Labour didn't get much publicity from 'America buying up NHS' story 🙄

'Terrifying. The economy will crash and burn under these clowns and their far-left policies.'

Evidence?

It is difficult to predict because the more likely options are Tory majority v. minority Government with labour fighting with SNP etc over what will go ahead and what will not.

Labour has received the firm backing of 163 prominent economists

Approx 40 of these 'prominent economists' work for ex polytechnic/FE/OU - unless you count the universities of Wolverhampton, Greenwich, Kingston, East London, Hertfordshire and Huddersfield as leading establishments. Granted, many do work at leading establishments, but a previous poster named Carolina Alves (Cambridge) as an example of one and she appears to be a Marxist based on her research interests and twitter activity. Approx 25 are retired (Emeritus), 30-40 appear to be EU citizens who probably don't want a Conservative Brexit...

Oh, and the organiser, British-American economist David Blanchflower arranged similar letters to the media for the 2015 and the 2017 elections.

Karl Marx is a prominent economist. He's very supportive of Corbyn's plans. He thinks they are eminently sensible and will definitely not drive any businesses offshore.

Karl Marx is a prominent economist. He's very supportive of Corbyn's plans. He thinks they are eminently sensible and will definitely not drive any businesses offshore.

so your point is?

More valid than yours? You were wrong to say no Labour supporters understand the difference.

higher earners will suck it up and hand over half their income to pay for free broadband/uni fees /care etc

@skinnychip, Labour plans are not asking higher earners to hand over half their income. We don’t have a flat tax system in the UK. We have progressive tax. Those earning above £80,000 a year will be asked to pay 45% rather than the current 40% on their income above £50,000. For someone earning £81,000 this works out around an extra £60 a year, for someone earning £110,000 a year this works out an extra £1500 a year than currently. The last ten years the sick and disabled have had to shoulder the biggest cuts proportionally, for example social care bills have massively increased for many, increases of £2000 to £3000 a year.

I don’t expect everyone to have the same and it’s not income where the gap is so large but wealth. The UK is second only to the USA in wealth inequality out of the G7 countries with 60 per cent of wealth owned by the richest 10 per cent compared to America's 76 per cent. The wealthiest 10 per cent of households own more than 900 times the wealth of the poorest 10 per cent, and five times more than the entire bottom half of all households combined. In the UK, the largest single driver of rising wealth inequality has been rising land and property prices, which for two decades have grown far faster than earnings.

Also the current economy post the global crash is not working for many wage earners. Economic growth is sluggish and real wages still lower than pre 2008 global crash. Banks are not lending much money to businesses for capital investment preferring to lend for real estate and to the financial sector. Labour is suggesting to up investment in business via investing in green energy business which could in the long term increase prosperity for more and make our economy more sustainable. As government bond yields (interest the govt has to pay on money it borrows) is v low st the moment it’s a good time for the govt to borrow and invest. Will it work? It might not but it could and the current system is not working for so many.

Off topic, but I hate the mealy mouthed 'asked to pay' that John McD is so fond of. You aren't 'asking' anyone anything. You are telling them.