How anyone can vote Tory?

[Stella8686]

After seeing some pro labour and pro conservatives posts recently I am genuinely interested to see what makes someone vote conservative

OTHER THAN

1. Hard/ quick Brexit
2. Looking after your own finances
3. Hatred for Labour/ Corbyn

ABIU to not be able to think of any single other reason to vote conservative?

Also anyone who argues that Western society has got worse is slightly bonkers..
Yes, let's bring back the Dickensian Victirian era and the dark ages...NOT!

There was oodles of crime even with the death penalty and women still got pregnant ( shock horror) out of wedlock. Except they ended up in workhouses. People who want those days back include Rees Mogg and what a shining example of humanity he is.

Who the actual eff wants the Victorian days back

In answer to that takeittogo ...Some people on this thread have posted an example of someone who believes that Western society has got worse because of Left wing welfare etc.
Ok so this government are making things soooooooo much better aren't they?
Of course Brexit, universal credit and the war against knife crime have been a raging success?!
How anyone can look at the homeless on our streets, the loss of 25, 000 police, the crumbling NHs and schools, the hugely divisive Brexit and say that this is progress under a Tory government probably shouldn't be on such a high income because lord knows what you are thinking.

Not to mention the roll out of zero hour contracts.
Basically this government wants to get into bed with big business and capitalism.
Capitslism has an appauling record for trashing the planet but given that the environment is so low down on everyone's priority this election because LET'S GET BREXIT done...i say we deserve climate change. We are not an intelligent species.
Moreover capitalism is horrrndous for widening the gap between the rich and poor but hey...that's their fault...the poor i mean.( not).

You sound drunk.

Capitalism is the only system that works and in the UK it protects the less well off pretty well, so well we are a fairly popular nation for those who might want to move.

In the UK taxes are so high that a 1 x 10 difference in income between low and high earners is brought crashing right down to 1 x 4 once tax raes at about 50% (45% upper tax rate plus 2% marginal nationali nsurance rate = 47%) are brought in and benefits including housing benefit added for those on low incomes. we end up with a pretty fair society although I would like to abolish inheritance tax - something Sweden has done by the way.

The cost of living is horrendously high in Scandinavia. I honestly think people forget that when they look upon it as a utopia.

I have family in Sweden and always laugh to myself when I see it touted on here as the be all and end all. The far right has grown hugely, immigration had been a disaster and violence and bombings have increased. Plus everything costs a fortune!

When one of my friends lived in Norway, she was always broke despite being well paid. I’ve no idea of the truth of this but it was something along the lines of £2.50 for a can of baked beans.

The truth is, most of us are on our own and that’s as it should be. It isn’t the responsibility of the government to organise or run or sort our lives for us. I get that some people genuinely can’t such as the disabled and it is right that provision is made for them, but for able bodied adults, it’s ridiculous.

Either apply inheritance tax to everyone (ie stop the ability to put stuff into trusts - I doubt HMQ,s inheritors will pay inheritance tax on all their estates) or no one.

No...sober as a judge but full of cold.
Seriously though.....society has got worse under this government hasn't it?

I think it very much depends what you have experienced.

For my part, the government play a minimal role in my life and that’s as I like it and as I believe it should be.

"Most of us are on our own and that's how it should be". What a sad view...so you don't beleive in community and society then?
I suppose that has been going down hill since Thatcher stated that there is no such thing as society...only individuals.
Yes....fuck everyone else apart from me me me.

I'd rather a good state we can rely on than a load of US corporations tbh.

Is that how you see it?

Let me tell you a little tale.

Many years ago now, I lost my job. I’d done fuck all wrong. I was accused of stealing. I hadn’t stolen a thing. I was given an option by my workplace - I could be suspended while it was investigated and if I was found guilty I would be dismissed for gross misconduct, or I could resign and get a minimal reference.

I chose the latter. I hadn’t stolen anything but I knew I’d have to declare a suspension in future and if I was dismissed for gross misconduct that would surely end my career. I was single, lived alone and had a mortgage, council tax and bills.

That all happened on the Friday. That week, I got a new job. A shit job, minimum wage, awful working conditions (I even had to pay for my own uniform ffs) and then the following Saturday, I had a major bereavement.

And I was entitled to nothing. No sick pay. No benefits. No paid compassionate leave. Nothing whatsoever.

And I got on with it. Over the next two years I rebuilt my career. It was so, so incredibly hard. I suffered a major injury and I had to limp into work because no sick pay. But no one was going to help me. Superman wasn’t going to swoop in and sort it all out; I had to. I had to keep applying for jobs, keep on going, and I suffered so, so many setbacks and false starts and really dark awful days, but I came through it.

I’m now going to be starting a new job soon, earning nearly £50,000 a year. And you know what? If I’d been supported and cushioned and given benefits and pay I’d have gone under entirely. I needed to keep working and keep going. So don’t lecture me on a good state - what a joke!

So the state completely let you down and you think that’s a good thing. This mentality genuinely mystifies me.

Why should the state have NOT ‘let me down’?

What do you think the state should have done?

More importantly, if the state had paid my mortgage and bills, would I be where I was now?

I agree takeittogo, state assistance should be a last resort in the event of truly being unable to work or very short term after a job loss.

Benefits that allow able bodied people to choose not to work or do a few token hours simply erode work ethics and personal responsibility not to mention show the next generation the example of you don’t have to work in life and will still be provided for. Not ideal in any shape or form.

@malificent7
war against knife crime
What war against knife crime? Theresa May (as Home Secretary) imposed huge restrictions on stop and search powers. Hardly sounds like a crackdown to me.

Capitslism has an appauling record for trashing the planet
Not half as appalling a record as socialism/communism has. China is the world's biggest polluter, Chernobyl happened in the USSR, Venezuela is polluting and deforesting like there's no tomorrow.

Moreover capitalism is horrrndous for widening the gap between the rich and poor
Compared with socialism where almost everyone is just poor.

Vote for whoever you feel will do a good job but bear in mind what history has shown I.e. The Holocaust started like this and I for one, am horrified by what I read is happening here

Have we forgotten?

You think boris is going to start gassing the Jewish community, honestly?

DdraigGoch

Well said. The people moaning about capitalism only reveal their incredible ignorance about the extreme misery inflicted by their beloved socialist / communist regimes over the last century.

As the Russian dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn once said, “I have lived in your future - and it didn’t work.”

What do you think the state should have done?

Sick pay would have been a good start. It’s indecent that people are forced to work when they’re ill.

I don’t know how anyone can vote for Labour scum. Horrible party

I came across this thread and have to make a point - people suggesting that people visiting food banks are just after the free food. People arguing that the cost of 'mentally ill' people living in HA accommodation is "too high". Disgusting! I'm genuinely frightened of whats to come.

I can only hope that the trolls are out in force, and this is not the general viewpoint of MN. I really hope 😔