How anyone can vote Tory?

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After seeing some pro labour and pro conservatives posts recently I am genuinely interested to see what makes someone vote conservative

OTHER THAN

1. Hard/ quick Brexit
2. Looking after your own finances
3. Hatred for Labour/ Corbyn

ABIU to not be able to think of any single other reason to vote conservative?

Well, there are many, many threads on this. None of which REALLY have any interest in learning what the Conservative party stand for…

I finally stumbled upon a way to not let all the rubberstamped insults (from both sides - I have no political allegiance) annoy me: I consider them spam. Works wonders for the blood pressure.

Well the Tories dont make it pay to work. I left my job as a teacher due to zero hour contracts and an increasing pressure due to under resourcing and now im retraining to be a radiographer which they are desperate for in both the NHS and the private sector. I have missed out on the bursary though so am paying through own pocket. Essentially the NHS are getting my services for free for another 28 werks of placement. I know it will be worth it in the end ( haha).

Weeks

@Scotinthenorth how so?

I'm shocked people are voting Conservative, particularly those who aren't the very wealthy. What world have you all been living in the past 9 years? Have you not seen the rise of racism, poverty and food banks at a high thanks to tory policies, community support systems eg youth clubs, losing their funding. The mess that is probation, the absolute shambles that is prison. 23hr bang ups which do little bar breed resentment.

I always wondered how people like thatcher got in when she decimated the country, destroyed entire communities and most people didn't like her. I'm seeing it happen with my own eyes - intelligent people voting for more of the same.

Do I think Labour will deliver all their promises? No. But they'll increase funding and support so that everyone, not just the rich few, have a positive childhood which leads to healthy adulthood.

But they'll increase funding and support so that everyone, not just the rich few, have a positive childhood which leads to healthy adulthood I absolutely don't believe that they will.

I'm no where near a high earner so under labour I wouldn't pay vasts amount more anyhow. I do believe the rich should contribute more yes.

Four million children in poverty @Trewser, how could they do any worse than that? Watch last night’s Despatches. And feel your heart break.

I seem to remember child poverty increased under the last Labour govt.

There will always be poverty, its impossible to get rid of it altogether. I agree that Despatches documentary was heartbreaking.

It increased in the 2008 recession, as you’d expect. Of course there will always be some poverty but we should still do everything possible to alleviate it.

Poverty has barely changed in the last 20 years

Poverty is too high but no party is tackling it well.

It would be more helpful to see it as a percentage as I presume the population is growing.

I agree child poverty is a terrible thing and I agree the Conservatives should commit more to alleviating it, but that isn't the same as believing that Labour will necessarily improve it.

Giving families more benefits doesn't necessarily lift them out of poverty.

Ridiculous rents are a huge problem though and we could do with an increase in good quality social housing.

I'm voting Tory.

I believe it should you should be encouraged to work and not be punished for it.
I, controversially, don't believe everyone should be equal. There will always be rich and poor, and I don't see any sustainable option to counter this.

In a free society there can never be complete financial equality.

@Trewser Exactly.

Percentages from full fact article

The numbers speak for themselves. There is no significant increase in poverty under the Tories. Some of the numbers are lower than under Blair/Brown.

That doesn’t mean we can all relax about the issue but it isn’t possible to blame one political party over another.

None of this matters. If you want to change it, go and volunteer for your nearest marginal - the battle won't be won here. Put a poster up, bundle some leaflets and deliver them, go out door knocking, WhatsApp your friends. There's too much at stake to speculate about and lots you can do to swing things in the next 9 days.

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The numbers speak for themselves. There is no significant increase in poverty under the Tories. Some of the numbers are lower than under Blair/Brown.

That doesn’t mean we can all relax about the issue but it isn’t possible to blame one political party over another.

Thanks for injecting some facts into the debate. Fascinating to see how Blair/Brown hosing the country down with money had the same effect on poverty rates as supposed austerity has.

Chaz how can you look at that bar chart and think there is no difference in the effect of tory and labour governments on poverty rate?

You do understand that it takes time for policies to impact poverty?

So the fall in poverty from 2007-2013 or so is the result of labour spending and the increase from 2014 onwards is the result of austerity?

Or did you think that people become poor the moment you change the government?

cf and Trew

I agree with you, there will always be disparity. But how much is acceptable?

What is a reasonable difference in income between the worst and best paid people in a society? Should it be a factor of 10 say? Or 100? or 1000?

I grew up poor under new labour (on free school meals)...I was never cold or hungry, AFAIK none of the other local kids were either (we were all in and out of each others houses all the time)

If I got cancer etc. (like my DM did) I know what Government I'd rather be poor under.

M3lon
Labour were in power from 1997 so the chart starts 3 years into a Labour Government. Are you suggesting there was a 10-16 year lag for Labour’s policies to take effect but a 4 year one for Tory policies.