How anyone can vote Tory?

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After seeing some pro labour and pro conservatives posts recently I am genuinely interested to see what makes someone vote conservative

OTHER THAN

1. Hard/ quick Brexit
2. Looking after your own finances
3. Hatred for Labour/ Corbyn

ABIU to not be able to think of any single other reason to vote conservative?

No, it will collapse because for the reasons I gave above.

It needs a cross party management and it needs to be taken out of election campaigns.

I'm not saying it doesn't need a reform now.

I'm saying the boom and bust labour plan won't work.

Just think, once everybody is taxed, the nationalising bill and free broadband and what not are paid for, and many big tax payers have left the country have left and demand keeps rising because of population grown the where is the money going to come from?

You can only slaughter a goose once.

J@ChardonnaysDistantCousin, that simply isn’t correct. I have been posting facts with evidence for days. Highly inconvenient facts. No drama. No emotional blackmail. No accusation. Just accuracy. And, unlike your post, no hyperbole.

I don’t think tories economic manifesto is better than labour’s. Brexit is going to cause short term pain most parties agree on this - so either taxes go up to help or people suffer or borrowing goes up. Why parties want to promise all these big improvements I do not know just makes them less credible... Lib Dem’s marginally better than tories or lab but also unrealistic.

Spinderellacutituponetime

there’s a fully costed out manifesto if you care to read it...and honestly are people still saying ‘where’s the money tree?’

"Labour's £58bn Waspi pensions pledge 'immediately breaks manifesto promise' on borrowing, IFS warns."

"The promise was made by John McDonnell but it is not included in Labour's manifesto commitments."

inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-manifesto-waspi-pensions-pledge-policy-58-billion-ifs-warning-1321598

Brexit has already cost this country 70 billion. 70 billion that could have gone into something useful. It’s disgusting.

You do know who owns those newspapers don’t you? Just checking. 😉

@ChardonnaysDistantCousin

There are no facts Labour supporters are providing. It's all drama, emotional blackmail and aggressive accusation.

This!

“Alsohuman* I went through the thread, but I see no facts from the Labour supporters.

The usual sound bites and accusations, but no facts.

Just because someone says something it doesn’t make it a fact or even an informed opinion.

You do know who owns those newspapers don’t you?
there’s a fully costed out manifesto if you care to read it

By all means tell us on what page of Labour's manifesto the £58bn Waspi money is included.

By all means tell us on what page of Labour's manifesto the £58bn Waspi money is included.

Exactly - anyone who claims that colossal bribe is fully-costed is either ignorant or a liar. Corbyn himself admitted he didn’t know where it was coming from!

I do understand how people might prefer tory policies over labour's. And how people might really not like Corbyn.

However I am absolutely horrified that people actually presumably think that Boris is fit to be PM given things he's said in the past and more recently.

Tory voters- given what he has said about women, single mothers, Islam and other things do you REALLY think that's ok or do you just ignore them?

And actually by far the biggest issue of our time is climate change not brexit. Is it ok that the ruling party has pretty much nothing concrete to say about it in their manifesto?

Where's Michael Gove? Is he in the cereal cupboard with Diane and Jacob?

I went through the thread, but I see no facts from the Labour supporters

Try looking at some other threads. God knows there are enough of them.

So there are no facts from the labour supporters on this one? that's what I thought.

There are plenty of accusations and drama from them though, to make up for the lack of facts.

Unbelievable judgemental thread! Good God are you as smug as you sound OP?

I’ve searched this thread for Labour drama and accusations. I haven’t found any but I did find this gem:

Because I don’t want a weak kneed ,Jew hating , terrorist sympathiser leading this country, someone who is in thrall to the unions, preparing to nationalise everything, taking us back to the bad days of the seventies, who has already said he would press the nuclear button, putting us in a weak position with others, who makes up policies on the hoof- like where’s the money for the money caught up in pensions going to come from? Who flip flops between what he wants and doesn’t want

Boris gets called Boris.
Jeremy Corbyn gets called Corbyn by everyone (except by Diane Abbott - Jewemy)

Says something.

How can anyone vote Labour when they’ve said that people on £20k will pay more tax but tories are cutting it? Do any of you Labour voters actually read what they are doing or do you just assume you’ll get more money?

The best answer to your question might be watching the 10 minute section in Corbyn's interview with Andrew Neil on economics. He is floundering and clueless.

He has no idea how much the top earners actually contribute in tax - just focussed on his mantra that they must pay even more.

He has no idea that issuing government bonds to pay for things is actually a debt. He seems to think he could go to his printer, print as many of these as he wants to pay for anything he wants with no accrued debt.

He hasn't even considered that high earners and businesses could be mobile, could leave the country and that his cash cows may not be there in order to be continually milked.

It is utterly horrifying that he knows so little about how the economy works. That's why I believe within 12 months under a Corbyn government, we would be bankrupt, with a trashed economic rating and there will be no investment in the NHS, no investment in any other public services as we won't have the money to pay for any of it.

That's why I can vote Conservative with my head held high - as I'm voting for economic competence and stability

Do any of you Labour voters actually read what they are doing or do you just assume you’ll get more money?

Not everyone bases their vote on whether or not they’d be better off. I’d be prepared to pay a high financial penalty for better services and even more not to have a Johnson government. I know precisely what a Labour government would do and I approve of it.

Do any of you Labour voters actually read what they are doing or do you just assume you’ll get more money?

Since Labour’s only policy is to hose down its voters with hundreds of billions of pounds of taxed, borrowed, or confiscated money, I think the answer to that question is pretty clear!

Whereas Boris is not floundering and clueless?!! Or just generally a vile individual. I too am happy to pay more taxes for decent services. Unlike most of the public I will be actually reading all the manifestos. Not listening too much to the very right-wing media and making an informed choice which I hope will benefit the populace as a whole and not just something that is designed to line the wealthy folk’s pockets.
@Stooshie8 that is possibly the most stupid thing I have read in a long time, no wonder we are all up shit creek.
Interesting that all the Tory voters are so fixated on Jeremy and his supposed anti-Semitic stance but everyone ignoring BJ’s links to Russia, selling arms to Islamic states. Anti-Muslim, homophobic and misogynistic comments. That’s obviously all okay. He’s a buffoon and I think really quite stomach churning. Totally out of touch with normal people... and while JC is by no means perfect I actually think he has some semblance of integrity.

The best answer to your question might be watching the 10 minute section in Corbyn's interview with Andrew Neil on economics. He is floundering and clueless.

But Johnson is doing everything he can to avoid an Andrew Neil interview, did very badly when interviewed by Marr and can't even give a straight answer on the number of children he has.

I can't remember ever being so worried about the basic competence of the leaders of BOTH main parties - but what are you supposed to do - not vote?