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AIBU?

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To change who I'm voting for based on one news story?

635 replies

ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun · 27/11/2019 12:52

This one ->

www.itv.com/news/2019-11-27/jeremy-corbyn-says-uncensored-documents-show-nhs-is-part-of-toxic-post-brexit-trade-talks-with-us/

I had already decided to vote for the conservatives, mainly because I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the others who seem hell bent on gleefully ripping up womens rights. I've always voted so abstaining/spoiling wasn't an option.

But after reading/watching the above I think I am going to switch to voting labour. We are a disabled family, and could never afford to pay for healthcare (and I doubt insurance would touch us with a barge pole).

I don't like Momentum/Corbyn really but I'd rather complain and fight for my right to a single sex ward than not be able to use one at all

Re: brexit I voted remain in the last referendum but to be honest just have fatigue about the whole thing, so I'm not basing my vote on any of that. (Though seems a second vote isn't that terrible an idea).

Just posting because I can't see anything on here about this yet and I've gone from feeling quietly confident that Conservatives would win to feeling nervous about it now. Anyone else?

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snowball28 · 27/11/2019 21:45

If we lose the NHS then me and my son will die. It’s that simple, I cannot afford to buy our medication that we’re on for life.

Please think of people like me and my baby when you vote. That’s all I ask.

I’m voting labour.

Actionhasmagic · 27/11/2019 21:48

Yanbu NHS must be protected at all costs. I have had experience of the private system and the nhs care was far better because the private kept trying to charge me for every little thing

Actionhasmagic · 27/11/2019 21:49

I will vote for you and everyone @snowball28

thehorseandhisboy · 27/11/2019 21:49

I'm sorry snowball28.

I wish more people had the compassion and integrity to put people like you and your son first, rather than relying some half-baked notions about JC being 'terrifying' and the Tories having a good economic track record.

fantasmasgoria1 · 27/11/2019 21:50

Without being able to see my doctor and psychiatrist, without my medications etc I would probably be in psychiatric hospital for very long periods of time. I have worked full time the majority of my life and have been to university but I have taken medication etc which has enabled me to live a semi normal life. When I was in agony for nearly a year, not sleeping etc I had an operation which helped. Without the NHS I was be royally screwed and so would most of the population. Its a vitally important and excellent service which needs supporting and being better funded.

OliviaBenson · 27/11/2019 21:56

We are at civil war with each other on a political level.

Labour supporter here. It's never as clear cut as Tory= no NHS etc but the last 9 years have proven they are not looking after it and things have got markedly worse. I don't get how Tory voters can't see that?

Tory + Brexit + Trump is a toxic sum. I do believe that we are at a make or break stage for the NHS and it will be of our own doing if the Tory's remain in power.

Terrified.

FourOnTheHill · 27/11/2019 21:56

YANBU. And I always consider the intelligent thing to do is to change one’s mind in the light of new evidence.

Deathgrip · 27/11/2019 21:56

I’m so sorry to everyone who’s suffering - I know there are a lot of people who care about you and about the NHS, and I hope that’s reflected on Election Day.

I’d be bankrupt without it, one of my children would definitely be dead. We don’t know how lucky we are, and how much my friends in America facing the same medical issues struggle just to access the basics.

I also know how much better it could be and we need to try. It’s a better option than believing it’s inevitable and accepting it.

snowball28 · 27/11/2019 21:57

@Actionhasmagic @thehorseandhisboy

💗💗💗

BMW6 · 27/11/2019 22:20

Its a vitally important and excellent service which needs supporting and being better funded.

I agree with this - it is one of the reasons why I am voting Conservative this time.

Daisychainsandglitter · 27/11/2019 22:28

YADNBU

MagratsDanglyCharms · 27/11/2019 22:33

YABU. Fact check this eve says that although US wanted to discuss pharmaceutical pricing etc, gov didn't acquiesce. Thank goodness for this FACT check lark... all of the damn politicians keep trying to twist the facts!

Comradesally · 27/11/2019 22:40

I've not trawled through 15 pages.

I do not trust this labour line up with carefully disposing of a sweet wrapper in a bin let alone with the NHS. Labour has not mentioned any sort of reform.

If any one. Any government tried to sell off the NHS, everyone. Everyone. Everyone. Would be up in arms. Every one would march, riot, protest... Do whatever it took to stop it... It's utter tripe and the only thing labor can trot out, to try and scare people. It's ridiculous.

Comradesally · 27/11/2019 22:43

Olivia what I see near me is hospitals whilst in the usual winter crisis stage.. Actually a million times better than under the Last Labour gov...

Our local hospitals are light years away from the scary place you went to give birth and ending up dying under Blair.

I do not want to set them back again under comrade corbyn thanks.

ferntwist · 27/11/2019 22:46

YANBU. I feel exactly the same way and will be voting Labour. I’ve been disillusioned with all of the parties because of their rush to embrace self-identity of gender and scrap women’s spaces but now that the Labour Party has actually promised in its manifesto to uphold the Equality Act, the big issue for me is the NHS.

These documents clearly show the NHS is already on the table as far as the government is concerned.

YukoandHiro · 27/11/2019 22:49

You are definitely NBU

MustardScreams · 27/11/2019 22:49

@Comradesally you know what’s sad?

The fact that you’re so utterly, utterly convinced that the NHS is safe. And so you will vote because you believe that.

I love your passion, I love you enthusiasm. But you’re putting millions of people to the dogs because you think that what you’ve read is the truth.

You’re actually going to kill people by voting Tory. You are going to end someone’s life because you’ve read and believed propaganda.

tiggertogger · 27/11/2019 22:51

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Venger · 27/11/2019 23:01

If you thi k the OP is a troll then report it, you're not Chief Trollhunter.

MustardScreams · 27/11/2019 23:04

@tiggertogger you’ve been hideous time and time again. We only need to look at your search history to see how disgusting you are.

Typical Tory.

tiggertogger · 27/11/2019 23:20

@MustardScreams conservative isn't even a choice on the ballot paper where I vote so you're wrong too. I just call out the labour bullshit that infiltrates these sites on a paid basis. Not that I'm accusing you of being a bot.

DioneTheDiabolist · 27/11/2019 23:26

If we lose the NHS then me and my son will die.

Flowers Snowball28. I stand behind you and your DS. I stand behind everyone who needs the NHS and I stand behind those who staff the NHS.
Conservative policies of Brexit and both surreptitious and overt privatisation of our health service should be robustly opposed.

Austerity is a cull.

CendrillonSings · 27/11/2019 23:32

Good news - the NHS is staying right where it is under the Tories, and spending is going up to record levels:

fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/

Total health spending in England was around £129 billion in 2018/19 and is expected to rise to nearly £134 billion by 2019/20, taking inflation into account.

In 2018/19 around £115 billion was spent on the NHS England budget. The rest was spent by the Department of Health on things like public health initiatives, education, training, and infrastructure (including IT and building new hospitals).

At the moment, UK public health spending is the equivalent of about 7% of GDP, similar to what it was back in 2010 and higher than in previous years. Back in 1955, it was worth about 3% of GDP.

DioneTheDiabolist · 27/11/2019 23:44

Shit news: the NHS in NI is fucked with some waiting lists exceeding 4 years.Sad NI is a testing ground. It will happen to you too.