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To change who I'm voting for based on one news story?

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ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun · 27/11/2019 12:52

This one ->

www.itv.com/news/2019-11-27/jeremy-corbyn-says-uncensored-documents-show-nhs-is-part-of-toxic-post-brexit-trade-talks-with-us/

I had already decided to vote for the conservatives, mainly because I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the others who seem hell bent on gleefully ripping up womens rights. I've always voted so abstaining/spoiling wasn't an option.

But after reading/watching the above I think I am going to switch to voting labour. We are a disabled family, and could never afford to pay for healthcare (and I doubt insurance would touch us with a barge pole).

I don't like Momentum/Corbyn really but I'd rather complain and fight for my right to a single sex ward than not be able to use one at all

Re: brexit I voted remain in the last referendum but to be honest just have fatigue about the whole thing, so I'm not basing my vote on any of that. (Though seems a second vote isn't that terrible an idea).

Just posting because I can't see anything on here about this yet and I've gone from feeling quietly confident that Conservatives would win to feeling nervous about it now. Anyone else?

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JKScot4 · 27/11/2019 16:57

Labour will run out of money???
But you Tory fans are ok with the Tories adding £1 Trilliin to the ND in the past 9 years??
Britain deserves better?? yes not these posh boy money grubbers.

CendrillonSings · 27/11/2019 17:01

But you Tory fans are ok with the Tories adding £1 Trilliin to the ND in the past 9 years??

So you’ve have liked us to cut the massive deficit Labour left us faster? But then why has the left whined endlessly about every attempt to close the deficit, i.e. austerity? You can’t have it both ways!

45andfine · 27/11/2019 17:04

OP So sorry that you suffered SA, it's hard for many people to understand the long standing effects of such events. I do hope you have received help. Xx
When it comes to voting in this country it's made more complicated when we like our local MP, but struggle with the party they represent.
Remember though that your local candidate could change, but you'll be stuck with the main party policies for 5 years.

Btw, you're the only person I know who has felt that the Tory's support woman's rights. Have you heard of Jacob Rhys Mogg?!?

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ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun · 27/11/2019 17:05

I appreciate that everyone has different views but I didn't mean for this to be another mud slinging thread.

I am almost certain now that I will be changing my vote to Labour. Was just discussing this with dp over dinner and it looks like he will be too. We can't afford even the slightest chance of this being true, and dp seems to not mind a second ref (though no doubt we'll probably be voting differently on that one too!)

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Bibbidybobbitysplated · 27/11/2019 17:05

@venger but surely thats the USs opinion not definative?

Id like to see the proof myself to be honest. Im not sure the NHS can cope as things are no matter what, too much health tourism and money being wasted. I LOVE the NHS but have private healthcare to take strain off it as i know they need all the help they can get.

TheRightHonerable · 27/11/2019 17:06

I can’t quite comprehend the volume of posters shouting ‘I’m voting labour because I support the NHS!’

Well that’s fabby for you, so long as long as you only need treatment from a nurse or support worker, not an actual Dr- not an operation or serious diagnosis/treatment of illness...because the majority of Dr’s are ‘higher earning’ conservative types who labour have been slamming for years 😂 and countries like new Zealand and Australia are snapping up all our NHS trainer Dr’s, saving thousands in training them themselves but offering twice the salary and half the hours!!

So yes labour will be great for the NHS...as long as you don’t need a Dr 👍🏻

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ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun · 27/11/2019 17:07

45andfine I don't think they have supported women's rights particularly, just that they were the only party that seemed to be backing away from self-ID.

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PrettyShiningPeople · 27/11/2019 17:07

I don’t align with any particular party and I’m trying to look at everything objectively at the moment, but this sounds like a load of exaggerated propaganda to me.

The document contains various sets of minutes from meetings between the UK & US and
“ show what US officials have demanded - not what the UK government has agreed to accept.”

And remember this is all related to preparations for a no deal Brexit.

People need to research things for themselves and look at the evidence.

PaddyF0dder · 27/11/2019 17:08

Any evidence at all to support the statement that senior doctors won’t vote labour?

17million · 27/11/2019 17:09

anyone gullible enough to believe smear stories and change their vote on that basis is gullible enough to vote labour and this country is really in trouble if that is the level of intellect among labour voters. Do some of you really believe everything reported by the BBC (full of labour luvvies) and the ITV (also left-leaning) or SKY (absolutely left leaning).

Why should the US want to take over the NHS which is a money-pit as all thinking people know. Drugs can be bought for the best price anywhere in the world Hmm

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 27/11/2019 17:11

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Deathgrip · 27/11/2019 17:13

Id like to see the proof myself to be honest. Im not sure the NHS can cope as things are no matter what, too much health tourism and money being wasted. I LOVE the NHS but have private healthcare to take strain off it as i know they need all the help they can get.

The link to the documents has been posted multiple times on this thread.

The document contains various sets of minutes from meetings between the UK & US and “show what US officials have demanded - not what the UK government has agreed to accept.”

I have researched it. Have you read them? Their position is very clear. If the tories get back in, a no deal Brexit is the most likely option. There have been extensive talks with the US and all of this detail discussed for a good reason.

because the majority of Dr’s are ‘higher earning’ conservative types who labour have been slamming for years

Do you think doctors have forgotten what Jeremy Hunt did? But it’s Labour who’ve been slamming them? That’s quite the selective memory.

Deathgrip · 27/11/2019 17:17

anyone gullible enough to believe smear stories and change their vote on that basis is gullible enough to vote labour and this country is really in trouble if that is the level of intellect among labour voters. Do some of you really believe everything reported by the BBC (full of labour luvvies) and the ITV (also left-leaning) or SKY (absolutely left leaning).

Why should the US want to take over the NHS which is a money-pit as all thinking people know. Drugs can be bought for the best price anywhere in the world

My god. These are the conservatives notes. Not smear stories. I know you haven’t read them - if you had you would understand why the US wants to get involved in the NHS and our pharmaceutical use in particular. Did you read the documents? Did you watch the Dispatches? Of course you didn’t, but you still think you know more.

And your analysis of the bias of various news outlets is absolutely laughable. The BBC have been proven to be biased in favour of whichever party is in government as if such a thing needs proving - they are the state broadcaster after all.

KenDodd · 27/11/2019 17:19

the majority of Dr’s are ‘higher earning’ conservative types
Funny, I know loads of senior doctors, not one of them is voting Tory. In fact our Lib Dem candidate is a senior NHS doctor standing because he's seen first hand what the Tories have done and doesn't think the NHS will survive another five years of this.

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ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun · 27/11/2019 17:19

anyone gullible enough to believe smear stories and change their vote on that basis is gullible enough to vote labour and this country is really in trouble if that is the level of intellect among labour voters.

The Labour analysis is mendaciously dishonest. And it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain who has actually read the document.

I have read it, have you?

While, no, the NHS is not definitely sold off the language and discussions speak for themselves. The US would greatly prefer a hard/no deal brexit as it finds certain regulations problematic. The US were 'reassured' that certain things were up for discussion.

I have no interest in bartering insults with you about my intelligence. If you read something differently in that document then good for you, vote accordingly.

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FriedasCarLoad · 27/11/2019 17:22

I’m much more concerned about NHS underfunding than this.

NHS outsourcing was started (iirc, but definitely done) under Labour in the 90s. Currently EU companies can bid for these contracts. Under any new trade agreement, American companies would presumably want to bid for the same contacts.

I’d rather we went back to no outsourcing, and hugely increased the NHS budget. I’m not aware of any party promising both of those. And I can’t see that it’s worse having American companies bid for contracts than EU ones.

Vote for whom you want, but changing your vote based on this scaremongering seems misguided.

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 27/11/2019 17:23

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Alsohuman · 27/11/2019 17:23

Any evidence at all to support the statement that senior doctors won’t vote labour?

None whatsoever. Twitter’s crammed with NHS consultants telling it like it is and imploring people to vote Labour.

kikisparks · 27/11/2019 17:25

Yanbu

Beveren · 27/11/2019 17:28

had already decided to vote for the conservatives, mainly because I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the others who seem hell bent on gleefully ripping up womens rights

What on earth made you think the conservatives would protect women's rights? Look at their leader, FFS - he has zero interest in women's rights and there's a substantial danger that he will look at things like limiting abortion rights to pacify the Daily Mail/ultra right wing lobby.

KenDodd · 27/11/2019 17:28

Why would anyone in that income bracket vote Labour?
Maybe they care about the whole country and the poor more than you and your husband do? Just a thought?

itsgettingweird · 27/11/2019 17:28

I work in education.

Ds has SN and an EHCP.

He also have a genetic neurological condition and it can get worse as he ages. Possibility of needing wheelchair in later life.

I literally cannot vote conservative as I think he would be facing a future where his contribution to society wouldn't be seen or valued due to his needs.

Despite the fact he's just taken his gcse Mocks and got some 7/8/9's so clearly is able despite all his difficulties! But he needs support day to day as well.

Deathgrip · 27/11/2019 17:29

Frieda the Labour manifesto specifically covers both of those things

Every penny spent on privatisation and outsourcing is a penny less spent on patient care. Labour will end and reverse privatisation in the NHS in the next Parliament.

We will increase expenditure across the health sector by an average 4.3% a year.

And there’s a lot more too - it’s worth a read if you haven’t already:

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Real-Change-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdf

FadingStar · 27/11/2019 17:32

Tory voters are actually putting their faith in Johnson, Mogg and the rest of that cruel, revolting shower to defend women's rights?Confused Oh my days.