To think that it's impossible to vote for Jeremy Corbyn after last night's interview?

[PleaseDontLaugh]

To be upfront : I would never vote for Labour or Corbyn anyway, for various reasons.. But that was not a good interview and had I been considering it I would be very concerned now.

@AhNowTed I am from Northern Ireland, a Protestant from a working class background. One of my relatives was left disabled by an IRA bomb. Cheers for the history lesson and all that but I lived through it. You're the ignorant and offensive one, my friend. You should try a little critical thinking yourself.

Your crap about "the oppressed" is what leads to hatred. I haven't oppressed anybody, neither have any of my family. My relative didn't get the chance to oppress anybody, by the way. She was 19 at the time. The shit that you and Jeremy Corbyn spout is what leads to innocent people dying.

Why don't you try living with a target on your back because of your religion? Then you can get back to me about "oppression".

Not read half the thread but at least Corbyn did the interview and didn't run scared like Johnson.

@Sakura7
"This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read on here.

Seriously, do some independent reading and learn your history."

Seriously, I lived my history. I don't need a lecture from some self-righteous numpty who got their history off a cornflake packet.

Corbyn is a racist IRA sympathiser who would spend too much and bankrupt the country. Not fit to lick Boris's boots let alone be PM.

Yabu VOTE LABOUR

@SuckingDieselFella

I was born a working class Protestant in the Republic and I don't need any history lessons from you either.

The troubles started as a civil rights movement. That's a fact.

@FindingCassiopeia

Corbyn actually wrote that he was there for a ceremony honouring the 1985 victims and “others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991". He wrote the words in quotation marks himself and they were printed in the Morning Star.
www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row

The "others killed" included the murderer (not freedom fighter) Atef Bseiso. Corbyn was there to honour an individual who castrated one of the Israeli Olympic team. Do we take it that you're ok with that?

@AhNowTed
I don't give a toss who you take history lessons from but you do need them.

I note that you haven't responded to a single word I wrote.

Killing innocent people to get what you want isn't a noble cause. You are deluded. And don't you dare preach to me. You didn't have to live with it.

@SuckingDieselFella

I missed where you actually asked me a question.

I don't deny or support the atrocities the IRA did. Equally I'm sure you wouldn't deny or support the atrocities the Unionist paramilitaries carried out.

And I'm very sorry that your family suffered a terrible loss. I truly am.

But your assertion that the IRA or Hamas are just racist for racisms sake I cannot agree with. They were borne out of discrimination and injustice.

I would recommend you watch the fabulous BBC program "Spotlight - The troubles - a secret history". A 7 part series and the most unbiased account I've seen, on both sides of the divide.
It's still on iPlayer.

No fucking way I'm voting for anyone other than labour,
-more taxes for me to pay, happily
But
-selling off the NHS is not okay (have lived in US and other countries with similar healthcare system and no fucking way. I have been ill and grateful I had amazing expensive insurance but I have lost friends to stupid things that developed complications because they couldn't afford to go to the doctor. That coupled with low wages, exorbitant rent, food bank use-we are setting ourselves up for ridiculous levels of poverty in the 5th richest nation in the world. It's embarrassing how much our gini coefficient in the past 10 years with Tories in control).
‐ I am a British dual citizen (from birth and not that that matters) but a victim of the Windrush scandal. While renewing my passport some idiot at Home Office decided I was not British because I what have a funny name and probably the colour of my skin. I was asked to provide 3 different pieces of paperwork for each year of my life, and even providing proof of my Scottish grandfather, my British mother, I was told to return to my father's home country (another naturalised British citizen) and had to pay tens of thousands of pounds in visas and solicitors to fucking stay in the country, despite proof to the contrary, school records, mortgages, my businesses. I was even denied NHS healthcare while pregnant. Fuck the TORIES, people who paid their taxes, lived their entire lives in this country died and lost thousands due to their stupid policies. I had the ability to take the Home Office to court and was out in 5mins as the judge read them the riot act, but what about all those who didn't?

JC lesser of two evils. If I lost my business, fell ill tomorrow, my life would be bleak under the Tories they have eroded the safety net meant to help people and give them a decent standard of living

Sucking What happened to your relative is appalling. All violence is wrong, whichever 'side' commits it.

The points made by PPs are true though, the Troubles (and I hate that term for it) started because of the discrimination and hatred directed towards Catholics. Recognising that fact is not in any way excusing what the IRA did, or what the UVF/UDA did in return. It's simply examining the past. Naturally you have your perspective based on your family's experience, and that's fair enough.

Thank heavens there were politicians on all sides willing to open the dialogue that eventually brought peace. Their actions should be applauded, not weaponised.

@FindingCassiopeia I believe Jewish Voice for Labour

You really shouldn’t. Look into them, highly problematic. Described by the founder of Momentum as part of the problem with antisemitism within Labour.

Besides, here they’re contradicting Corbyn’s own admission.

You really shouldn’t. Look into them, highly problematic. Described by the founder of Momentum as part of the problem with antisemitism within Labour.

I can't believe someone is using momentum as an impartial source about anti-Semitism.

Momentum you mean the organisation who have numerous members who have been antisemitic, the very dodgy part of the Labour party who are wanting MPs deselected as they aren't part of there agenda and trying to completely take over.

Clavinova Here you go. Full Fact, which is independent, have run through the manifesto. This page has stuff about the NHS and despite the pledge to build 40 new hospitals, no money has been identified for this. So, their manifesto is also not fully costed.

fullfact.org/election-2019/conservative-manifesto-2019/

@HeresMe I didn’t say Momentum, I said the founder of Momentum, Jon Lansmann, who is Jewish.

When the founder of the Corbyn youth cult (therefore can’t be dismissed as a ‘Blairite’) describes the group specifically set up to defend Corbyn from allegations of antisemitism as part of the problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party, you should probably pay attention.

The reason I use Jon Lansmann here is when I said that Jewish Voice for Labour were not averse to antisemitism on another thread, I was accused of being antisemitic.

To pp who said it’s not costed. It is

I want to vote Labour, I loved their manifesto but the numbers don’t add up, if Corbyn had been hot on the numbers in that interview it would have made my mind up, also this in the news this morning

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/28/corbyn-nationalisation-plans-for-energy-sector-to-collide-with-eu-law-labour

Gin96, this pretty much confirms what I was recently told by a financial adviser. He said that share prices in utility companies had been suppressed for a while but they had recently ‘bounced’ as a minority Labour government would almost certainly mean staying in the EU and the nationalisation plans would be impossible.

Putting vat on private schools also impossible while we are inn the eu. No wonder JC is such a passionate leaver.

Oh and Clavinova other people are now coming out and saying the
The Conservatives have made some manifesto pledges that do not seem to have been costed.

Here's Carl Emerson of the Institute for Fiscal Studies on Radio 4 this morning:

"There's, for example, some money for further education - they've committed to an extra £2bn, but their manifesto seems to only allow for an extra £800m of that. There's some of the extra hospitals, there's some other investments which sound very much like firm commitments, but there seems to be no money allocated to them as yet, which implies cuts elsewhere, or perhaps more likely, more spending than that manifesto implies"

I thought the 40 hospitals were debunked some time ago. Just like the additional 50k nurses.

I think we can safely work from the premise that pretty much anything any party puts in its manifesto won't actually happen.

Yes Also but Clavinova insisted on links. They're very hot on trashing Labour's costings but don't seem to accept the same thing is true of the Tories. Wonder why?

Yes Conservatives have made big blunders in their manifesto, I don’t want to vote conservative, I want to vote Labour but how is nationalising utilities, BT, schools, rail, nhs going to work? How much will it cost and how will we pay for it? This is a huge cost all at once, we need to know how Labour are planning this. I was hoping in the interview he would explain but no answers 😕

For those undecided, you should vote Labour simply because the alternative is unthinkable. Look at all the disasters ( Brexit, fracking, underfunded police, schools, NHS) ALL under the Tories.