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To think that it's impossible to vote for Jeremy Corbyn after last night's interview?

771 replies

PleaseDontLaugh · 27/11/2019 05:56

To be upfront : I would never vote for Labour or Corbyn anyway, for various reasons.. But that was not a good interview and had I been considering it I would be very concerned now.

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ArseDarkly · 27/11/2019 19:20

Actually the thought of JC on the world’s main stage is farcical

And Johnson on the 'world main stage' is terrifying - he's up to his fat neck in russian interference and dodgy deals with the US or anyone else he can flog the uk off to so he can justify the catastrophe of Brexit.

There's only two choices in this election and Labour is by far the more sensible one.

MrsMaiselsMuff · 27/11/2019 19:24

Just switched on for Johnson's interview. Guess who has pulled out? Same as he has with the Channel 4 debate. What's he so scared of?

JPharm · 27/11/2019 19:25

You said the money went to the DUP. Will you accept that you were wrong?

I was wrong to say the money went directly to the DUP yes. No I don’t begrudge the people of NI the money, just takes the piss that this cash is available just not spent on the people.

I don’t think my Brexit point is invalid. We should not be at the point where no deal needs planning for, a deal should have been negotiated by Cameron before the referendum.

Solihooley · 27/11/2019 19:30

So Boris hasn’t secured a date for his grilling? Mmmmm. Doesn’t look very good does it?

SuckingDieselFella · 27/11/2019 19:31

@FindingCassiopeia Ah yes, he was fighting for peace again. While honouring terrorists who had murdered innocent people.

"The Labour leader had been asked if Palestinian leaders linked to the Black September terror group were also honoured at a memorial event he attended in Tunisia in 2014, at which victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike in Tunis were remembered.
Corbyn said “a wreath was indeed laid” for “some of those who were killed in Paris in 1992” and added in response to a question: “I was present at that wreath-laying, I don’t think I was actually involved in it.”
He added: “I was there because I wanted to see a fitting memorial to everyone who has died in every terrorist incident everywhere because we have to end it."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

His words appear to indicate that Israel committed a terrorist act by killing Atef Bseiso. He's the honourable freedom fighter I mentioned earlier, the one who castrated an Israeli athlete.

SuckingDieselFella · 27/11/2019 19:33

@FindingCassiopeia

Before Corbyn was found out, he wrote in the Morning Star that he was:
"present for a ceremony honouring the 1985 victims and “others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991”. Mossad is Israel's national intelligence agency.
www.independent.co.uk/infact/jeremy-corbyn-munich-massacre-terrorists-anti-semitism-labour-palestinian-cemetery-a8489456.html

He's telling you he was there to honour the Munich Olympics terrorist and you won't believe him.

Why not?

Pumpkinpie1 · 27/11/2019 19:34

I’d have thought you’d wait until all leaders had been interviewed before making up your mind. Although it does seem that Boris is keeping his head down and not wanting to be available. Probably because of the NHS Trump privatisation papers
That he claims don’t exist but do

ArseDarkly · 27/11/2019 19:36

Just switched on for Johnson's interview. Guess who has pulled out? Same as he has with the Channel 4 debate. What's he so scared of?

Well, just hazarding a guess, he might be worried that he'll be asked about -

Unlawful suspension of parliament
Lies about the 'new' agreement being very different from May's
Lying to the DUP that he would never agree to different arrangements for NI
Lying to NI business about tariffs being imposed
Jennifer Arcuri-Misconduct in public office allegations
Supression of the Russia Select Committee document
Vote Leave electoral fraud allegations
Lying about trade talks with US and NHS not being 'on the table'
Refusing to apologise for racist comments and homophobic comments
Tory 'fake news' interference in the election - doctoring of interview footage, fake 'factcheck' twitter account
Tory candidates suspended over antisemitism

Feel free to add any i've missed

SuckingDieselFella · 27/11/2019 19:39

@JPharm
"I was wrong to say the money went directly to the DUP yes. No I don’t begrudge the people of NI the money, just takes the piss that this cash is available just not spent on the people."

But it IS being spent on the people. (The amount that's been handed over so far will be, anyway. Who knows whether the full agreement will ever be honoured.) So you don't object to it being spent on the people of Northern Ireland?

If not, what is your objection? Do you want governments to pay out every single penny they have? They need to have some kind of contingency funds.

BerwickLad · 27/11/2019 19:45

Oh come on the DUP are bent af. Foster's probably quite pleased that this shitshow is diverting attention from her own dodgy energy deal setup that cost people in NI far more than they got from whatever watered down cash from De Pfeffel reached them.

JPharm · 27/11/2019 19:45

I said I didn’t object at all. Now if they could do the same to other areas without it requiring political support for them then that would be grand.

SuckingDieselFella · 27/11/2019 19:48

"Foster's probably quite pleased that this shitshow is diverting attention from her own dodgy energy deal"

That's a strange kind of reasoning considering that Boris lied to her and is creating a border down the Irish sea, the very thing that most people in Northern Ireland, and definitely DUP voters, don't want.

BerwickLad · 27/11/2019 19:53

Oh for sure he's not on her side but if anyone thinks the DUP can be trusted with fiscal matters they're wrong, and meanwhile the heat has been taken off her quite nicely.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2019 19:54

Both (Corbyn's) hobby horses and his judgement aren't fit for any kind of office

That's as close as anyone's come to answering my question about why no Labour PM has ever given him a senior or cabinet post

Would Corbyn's supporters agree with that assessment or do they have a different explanation? Because there's been no other response so far ...

Alsohuman · 27/11/2019 19:57

And it isn't the Tories who have been "spunking" money on no deal Brexit plans. The plans are being drawn up by the Civil Service, which is a government agency and not a political party.

Instructed by government. Civics 101.

MetalMidget · 27/11/2019 20:00

Have you googled what he has supported through his career, it's amazing and anyone with half a brain can see the propaganda of racism for what it is.

As far as I can see, he's relentlessly campaigned for peace, recognising that sometimes it's not as simple as governments are good and terrorists are bad. Have Hama's/Hezbollah/the IRA committed atrocities? Of course they have. Are they often a cover for organised crime? Of course they are.

But, only an idiot wouldn't recognise that all those groups were born out of genuine injustice and grievance.

The West carved up the Middle East without much consideration for those already living there. Consecutive Israeli governments illegally invaded and continues to seize land and assets that doesn't belong to it. Hell, if how they treat the Palestinians isn't bad enough, how about how that time they gave Ethiopian Jewish women birth control without telling them?

And the British government doesn't exactly have the best reputation in how it's treated the Irish, either (an attitude you can see echoes of in the current lot with their disregard of Ireland in regards to Brexit, such as the Tory MP who said that "the Irish really should know their place" - that was less than a year ago).

So yeah, Corbyn's chatted to a few dodgy characters, but he's consistently voted for anti-discrimination legislation, brought in early day motions condemning anti-Semitism, fought to prevent the demolition of a Jewish cemetery in his constituency in the 80s, campaigned for Yemeni Jews to be allowed to settle in the UK,and vocally condemns all racism... well, there's nowt there that screams 'racist' to me.

Unlike the Johnson, who says racist things, votes against equality legislation, and whose party is increasingly heading to the far right and the arms of the current US president, who's corrupt and also a massive racist.

MetalMidget · 27/11/2019 20:04

(And for the record, I'm no Corbynista - I used to be a member of the Labour Party, but let my membership lapse as I was disillusioned by their stance on Brexit - I wanted to see firmer Remain support. I just think that a lot of the criticism of Corbyn is bollocks).

AhNowTed · 27/11/2019 20:14

@MetalMidget

That's a good post.

Unfortunately nuance, detail and anything other than black/white gets lost in these populist times.

4 legs good, 2 legs bad.

Mamasaurus82 · 27/11/2019 20:48

At least he's not chickened out of a tv interview like that Conservative prick who claims to be in charge of the country.

Charley50 · 27/11/2019 20:58

Absolutely!

SuckingDieselFella · 27/11/2019 21:02

@MetalMidgett
"But, only an idiot wouldn't recognise that all those groups were born out of genuine injustice and grievance"

All those groups were born out of hatred for other religions and races. They are STILL rooted in hatred for other religions and races.

And Jezza can't get enough of them. Campaigner against racism, my arse.

Sakura7 · 27/11/2019 21:09

All those groups were born out of hatred for other religions and races. They are STILL rooted in hatred for other religions and races.

This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read on here.

Seriously, do some independent reading and learn your history.

FindingCassiopeia · 27/11/2019 21:13

@Sucking I believe Jewish Voice for Labour and Jeremy Corbyn when they say he was at the ceremony to commemorate the 1985 Israeli airstrike in Tunis.

Just out of interest, do you feel it was okay that the Israel killed over 50 people in that strike, and injured 100 more, including many civilians and children?

FindingCassiopeia · 27/11/2019 21:16

*to commemorate the victims of the airstrike

AhNowTed · 27/11/2019 22:31

*All those groups were born out of hatred for other religions and races.
*
The is just plain ignorant and offensive.

Maybe do some reading on the civil rights movement in NI where nationalists were denied representation, jobs and homes, and the plight of the Palestinians living under an apartheid rule.

Nelson Mandela was on the US terrorist list until 2008.

A little critical thinking wouldn't go amiss.