To think that it's impossible to vote for Jeremy Corbyn after last night's interview?

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To be upfront : I would never vote for Labour or Corbyn anyway, for various reasons.. But that was not a good interview and had I been considering it I would be very concerned now.

@Devereux1 no, the one where I posted the vile anti-semites quote. Read the transcript again, there’s a whole section where he presses JC on the legal process for investigation, he specifically asks about one which has been going on for a year.

We obviously saw the interview in different ways because of our political bias, I’m not sure how we get round that. I think Neil was rude and a bully (he did the same to Sturgeon) but that’s subjective, you thought he was doing a great job. It’s a shame BJ won’t be interviewed by him because then I might be able to see it differently depending on the treatment he receives.

Re spending on trident, totally agree and I think this is symptomatic of where he falls down. It's weakness. Not in the sense of not killing people (please, that isn't strength) but in the sense of not taking a fully consistent policy stance and having the balls to stand by it. So instead he goes for half measures and all the time he's surrounded by nasty bastards with their own agenda, and that to me is a massive problem.

And the more the public is appalled, the more they drop in the polls, the more the desperation grows.

They aren't dropping in the polls and speaking for myself, 'the public' are all appalled-out by the horrorshitshow of the Johnson Government.

@Devereux1 "No, I can't agree. Because he hasn't got out of the game. If he was getting out of the game, he wouldn't vow to spend billions of taxpayer's money renewing Trident."

He was told not to say what he believes in, and has believed in for decades. Seamus or one of Corbyn's sons (both employed by Jezza on £40k a year) must have told him to fudge it. "You can't say you'll abolish Trident, dad. The voters will think we can't defend ourselves. So just trot out some old rubbish about how you'll still pay for it but not use it. Same with the EU. You'll enact Brexit with a heavy heart, etc, etc. Don't let on you've opposed the EU trading bloc ever since the days of the Common Market."

That's all very well but there comes a point, especially when you're shedding billions on this stuff, that you've got to shit or get off the pot.

JPharm he did interview Boris - in the summer during the leadership election. It’s still on iPlayer.

He ripped him to shreds. He does that to everyone. He asks the questions that the public often thinks ‘why is no one asking this and demanding an answer?’

@JPharm
OK, I'll go with your example. I've re-read the transcript. What was wrong in the way Neil questioned JC on the anti-semitic trope used, said Neil, by Liam Moore.

I've read it and re-read it. Btw, I am viewing every interview, of every candidate through the same lens, nothing to do with political bias. I can't stand any interviewee who evades answering the question.

@Readthesmallprint well that's his schtick isn't it, to ask the tough questions, but actually I think a lot of what he bangs on about with everyone he interviews is not what I would base my voting choices on because I don't vote to score points. He's adversarial for the sake of it which is a time wasting distraction given the constitutional and political upheaval we're faced with at the moment.

He destroyed Boris in the leadership campaign interview and did a very good job of not letting him repeat his PR speak.

Andrew Neil destroys everybody, even his friends Portillo and Abbott. It's what he does.

But the Corbynites think he's been "unfair" or "biased". How would they, and Jezza cope if he did become Prime Minister? Do they think that Corbyn is the only politician who shouldn't be subjected to criticism?

@ReadtheSmallPrint I shall watch it now.

@SuckingDieselFella
In which case JC is even a weaker, more hypocritical, inconcistent, and dangerous candidate for leadership than he ever was.

If he won't push the button, Trident can't even pretend to be a deterrent. Why should the taxpayer, and all the services which need the funds, pay for the renewal of a completely useless weapons system that would never be used, and offers zero deterrent value when it is not used because everyone knows JC won't push the button?

The de Pfeffel interview was genuinely as much of a car crash as this but also like this gave us little information other than that Neil gets chippy and bull headed when people don't do exactly as he says. It wasn't a coherent analysis of the political situation, it wasn't an examination of options available, it was just Neil getting a cob on and acting faux truth seeker with his own little personal agenda.

‘AN:–they’ve seen you share platforms with some of the world’s vilest anti-Semites–‘
This particular line made my blood boil, Corbyn asked him who he meant and he didn’t answer.

But surely, AN was referring to JC's own words;

"Earlier in August 2018, Jeremy Corbyn apologised over an event he hosted as a backbench MP in 2010 where a Holocaust survivor compared Israel to Nazism."

"After the Times published details of the event, the Labour leader said he had "on occasion appeared on platforms with people whose views I completely reject" and was sorry for the "concerns and anxiety that this has caused".

This video recording was reported by several UK newspapers on Monday;

jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/123-video-shows-corbyn-give-pat-on-back-to-speaker-who-said-jews-immoral/

And this;
"In August 2018, the Labour leader also came under fire over his presence at a ceremony in Tunisia in 2014 which is said to have honoured the perpetrators of the 1972 Munich massacre, during which 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team were taken hostage by Palestinian militants and killed."

"The Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Mr Corbyn deserved "unequivocal condemnation" for laying a wreath on the grave of one of those behind the atrocity."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45030552

I wonder if @JPharm is going to answer my questions?

It's so fucking plain that the anti-Semitism acts and accusations are there to guilt left-wing voters out of voting for this socialist Labour Party; that's the only dirt there is to dish on Corbyn, who is essentially the good guy.

No-one can argue that the current inequalities in this country are ok or acceptable (which is why Boris suddenly has money to spend on cops and nurses). Austerity moved money away from the poor(er) into the pockets of the very rich. The money is still there, but in private hands. The media is owned by super-rich and they want to keep that money in private hands,

It's clear that Corbyn is a good person who is being smeared by the right-wing media. I honestly think that even some of the actual anti-Semitism within the party has been planted as a way to discredit Corbyn, rather then being 'real' anti-Semitism. Super-rich have so much to lose if Labour win this election and as Corbyn's Labour has honest policies which will benefit the masses not the few, it's dangerous for him to get in.

If every single word of the Labour Manifesto was implemented, the UK would still only be in the middle of the road for Public Spending compared to other EU countries.

There was a report published today that said the level of inequality in the UK is reaching a new high.

I want a government that is committed to closing the gap and righting some of the wrongs the Tory government have done.

This particular line made my blood boil, Corbyn asked him who he meant and he didn’t answer.

Bold fail - pp's word

@Clavinova That "present but not involved" business tells you everything you need to know about Jezza. Both his hobby horses and his judgement aren't fit for any kind of office.

The individual he laid a wreath for castrated an Israeli athlete and the athlete bled to death. Jezza was there at the memorial service, hob nobbing with terrorist supporters and happy to hold a wreath but he said he was " not involved". I'd like to hear an interview ask him what he means by "not involved".

@Sharpandshineyteeth "I want a government that is committed to closing the gap and righting some of the wrongs the Tory government have done."

But they can't close the gap. Their spending plans are unaffordable to the extent that they're pure fantasy. If you disagree, can you give a realistic explanation of how they would work?

And if you care about equality, what about equality for Jews? Do you really want a leader that frightens them so much some Jews are planning to leave?

Andrew Neill is a sound interviewer, JC was shocking.
It took him a while to actually remember the high tax band and he had no idea of how much income tax the highest earners contribute in society.

His response to an MP who had questioned the truth of the Holocaust and had simply got a warning letter was that he hadn’t at that point, tightened the systems for dealing with anti Semitism.
He couldn’t account for how he was going to find the 60 billion required to pay for the money taken from women’s pensions.
He stuttered and stalled throughout. He was appalling.

Sorry @SuckingDieselFella, I didn’t realise you’d asked me something as I wasn’t tagged.

I don’t think Northern Ireland would have had a sudden influx of public spending if the Tories hadn’t needed DUP support would they? You can’t dress it up as an altruistic act.

Who releases they money for the civil service? I thought that vote leave said a deal would be easy, we shouldn’t need a contingency plans at all. But it was Javid who spent the latest 2bn.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/03/chancellor-commits-another-2bn-for-no-deal-brexit-planning

I love your username though!

Actually the thought of JC on the world’s main stage is farcical.

@Charley50 "It's so fucking plain that the anti-Semitism acts and accusations are there to guilt left-wing voters out of voting for this socialist Labour Party; that's the only dirt there is to dish on Corbyn, who is essentially the good guy. "

Nope, Corbyn isn't socialist any more than Boris is. Corbyn is hard left. He's sucked on the country's teat for 40 years and now his two sons are doing the same. Grew up in a manor house, went to public school and has never had a proper job apart from far left politics. I have family members who worked in factories all their working lives and were trade unionists. The poor won't benefit one jot from Corbyn's anti-Israel, pro Irish republican, anti-capitalist schtick. The whole movement is controlled by public schoolboys and union people on £100k plus a year (e.g. McCluskey). It makes me sad that some of them are being taken in by it.

@Sucking Diesel Except that's just another right wing smear, isn't it?

This is what the Jewish Voice for Labour Website says about it:

"It is untrue.

Corbyn did indeed attend a wreath-lying ceremony in 2014 where victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike against the headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Tunis were remembered – an attack that had been condemned at the time by the UN and by Margaret Thatcher. The attack killed around 50 people, mostly Palestinians, and injured many more.

While wreaths may also have been laid at other graves, Corbyn did not participate in these ceremonies. Nor are any of the graves those of Munich perpetrators, who are mostly buried in Libya. None is buried in Tunis."

@JPharm

You said the money went to the DUP. Will you accept that you were wrong? No, it probably wouldn't have been forthcoming unless the DUP had used their influence. They used it to get money for Northern Ireland's hospitals, schools and roads. I asked you if you object to public spending. If not, can you please explain what your objection is.

I also asked you what your objection is to the no-deal contingency plans. The plans involve civil service manpower and these people have to be paid. Please don't just say "Vote Leave said it would be easy" or say that you don't want Brexit. This doesn't answer the question. Real politics is about pragmatism, not how you would like things to be. Would you rather not have any plans and risk food and medicine shortages?