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To think that it's impossible to vote for Jeremy Corbyn after last night's interview?

771 replies

PleaseDontLaugh · 27/11/2019 05:56

To be upfront : I would never vote for Labour or Corbyn anyway, for various reasons.. But that was not a good interview and had I been considering it I would be very concerned now.

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shearwater · 27/11/2019 15:51

Things like rent controls I've been wanting Labour to have as policy for years. Finally they are saying stuff I actually agree with, so I will be voting for them based on the manifesto.

Clavinova · 27/11/2019 15:54

its a problem because of things like this

For balance - also in the article;

"A spokesperson for Virgin Care told The Independent this case had been unprecedented and it was not routinely taking the NHS to court."

“We took the action because we were concerned that there may have been serious flaws in the procurement process,” they added. “Never before had we been so concerned with the whole process that we have needed to make a challenge of this nature."

"Contrary to reports, no money has been pocketed by Virgin Group or Sir Richard Branson and we continue to invest funds in the frontline NHS services we deliver.”

shearwater · 27/11/2019 15:55

It makes no sense to say you won’t vote Labour because of their anti-semitism problem then vote for a Tory government which has as big of an anti-Islamic problem that they haven’t even acknowledged

Exactly, the Conservatives have a racism problem, they have a leader who regularly demonstrates his racist views, not someone who is an internationalist who has campaigned against racism all his life.

JPharm · 27/11/2019 15:58

So you actually believe Andrew Neil doesn't want to hear any answers from any of his interviewees when he asks them a question? Do you seriously believe that?

Yes I believe this, he’s so arrogant he makes every interview about himself not his guest.

He also isn’t impartial, he co-owns a publication that supports the conservatives.

As much as I’d pay good money to see it the right would be up in arms if someone like Owen Jones interviewed BJ in the same manner.

EntropyRising · 27/11/2019 16:00

JPharm I saw Neil's last interview with Johnson, it was just as hostile.

wafflyversatile · 27/11/2019 16:02

people are concerned that Labour will increase borrowing to provide decent services but not concerned that the tories cut services while increasing borrowing. ok.

Monsterinmyshoe · 27/11/2019 16:02

Every moment he uttered more than 3 words he was interrupting him
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Yeah, because JC wasn't even attempting to answer the questions.
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I think you need more than 3 words to answer a question. These issues are a bit more complicated than a short 3 word answer. That's why I found the interview incredibly frustrating. As someone who has no idea who to vote for, these interviews are pointless to me since nobody is allowed to answer a question. The interviews are more about making the interviewees squirm and seem incapable, rather than understanding what they offer. I would expect this on a channel 5 reality show, not the BBC. I think it's embarrassing to be honest.

JPharm · 27/11/2019 16:06

We shall soon see Entropy. I do hope he gets the same treatment out of fairness (I suspect the papers will fawn over BJ no matter how terrible he is though).

Notonthestairs · 27/11/2019 16:07

Johnson hasn't yet agreed to be interviewed by Andrew Neil. Do we think he will be?

Johnson's articles in the Spectator in 2005 (Islam is the problem) and the Telegraph in 2018 (letterboxes and bank robbers) were not intended to provoke discussion - just to provoke. Intellectually light weight, populist drivel - but good click bait.

And why does the US want an FTA with the UK? Trump is only interested in promoting America - so what is in their interests? Greater access to flog food and pharmaceuticals. They won't be looking to sell cheaper will they?

So an already struggling NHS under further financial pressures. Maybe you think we should have fewer/more limited health services - but shouldn't that be a national discussion not something that comes as a result of a US-UK FTA? I don't think the NHS is untouchable - but changes should happen at our own pace and with a full understanding of the ramifications.

I'm not a fan of Corbyn and won't be voting Labour in this election. However, Johnson is a bloody liar and charlatan and won't get my vote either.

EntropyRising · 27/11/2019 16:11

And why does the US want an FTA with the UK? Trump is only interested in promoting America - so what is in their interests? Greater access to flog food and pharmaceuticals. They won't be looking to sell cheaper will they?

You've just outlined the trading objectives of every nation on the face of the earth.

JPharm · 27/11/2019 16:14

Johnson hasn't yet agreed to be interviewed by Andrew Neil. Do we think he will be?

Sorry I assumed all the leaders had agreed to be interviewed by him. My bad.

MrsDoylesTea · 27/11/2019 16:16

@Monsterinmyshoe

"I think you need more than 3 words to answer a question" - maybe but not more than 5 to realise he's not going to answer it.

AN asks where the funding for the WASPIs will come from.
Jezbolloh says "Let me tell you why".

5 words to make it clear he's going to only asnwer the question he wants to answer - so he can virtue-signal about why it's important. Whereas the question being asked was how will it be funded. And the answer is yet more uncosted borrowing.

That's why normal people, not the Momentum activisits on this thread and forum, will realise how JC is not just slippery and unable to answer a question, but also economically illiterate.

Devereux1 · 27/11/2019 16:19

JPharm
So you actually believe Andrew Neil doesn't want to hear any answers from any of his interviewees when he asks them a question? Do you seriously believe that?
Yes I believe this, he’s so arrogant he makes every interview about himself not his guest.

Shock. Are you able to accept the possibility that Andrew Neil is an interviewer trying to get the interviewee to answer his questions?

He also isn’t impartial, he co-owns a publication that supports the conservatives.

He is also a journalist. In that role, he is impartial. Can you provide evidence, or any examples whatsoever, where Andrew Neil has not been impartial?

As much as I’d pay good money to see it the right would be up in arms if someone like Owen Jones interviewed BJ in the same manner.
Why would you pay good money to watch an interview of others by Andrew Neil , if according to you, the interview would totally be about Andrew Neil Hmm

JPharm If you were interviewing Jeremy Corbyn, and you received the response he gave Andrew Neil last night on the £60 billion question (just one example), what would you have done differently then?

Notonthestairs · 27/11/2019 16:20

Entrophy - yes, but which has greater leverage, the UK or the US?

Devereux1 · 27/11/2019 16:24

@Monsterinmyshoe
I think you need more than 3 words to answer a question. These issues are a bit more complicated than a short 3 word answer. That's why I found the interview incredibly frustrating.

Q: Will you borrow for that?
There are only 2 possible valid answers, and they MUST begin with either YES or NO. Or "I don't know". Anything else is invalid. Anything else is evading the question.

A: "Often between.." = evades the question
A: "These women were..." = evades the question
A: "Can I explain why?" = evades the question (Why what? Will you or won't you?"

What was frustrating was watching a man who wants to lead our country unable to give a straight answer on anything.

Bluntness100 · 27/11/2019 16:27

I've no idea why Corbyn agreed to it, even I could have told him the questions he'd be asked. Anyone could have. Why he was unwilling/unable to answer those questions is mind boggling.

He'd have been better to have said no and asked for Lorraine kelly instead. There was only one way it was going to turn out.

He knew the questions he would get, he knew he didn't wish to answer them.

Low income people will be paying more tax, let's lie they won't, Andrew NEIL surely won't have evidence it's not true and they will,,,oops. Bugger. He did.

How was he going to fund the late breaking "desperate for votes" pension promise, yeah let's lie about that too that there is 60 billion of government reserves we can use, Andrew NEIL is sure not to know there is no such thing,,oops shit, he did know that.

Honestly mind boggling. He should have just said no.

Blkllama · 27/11/2019 16:29

So a stitch up TV interview means we should ignore the last decades of Tory misrule? Austerity? Lib Dems backing the Tories in cuts against the disabled/education/children/legal justice?

Corbyn is not a racist, but he is getting an unholy amount of flak from a frightened rich media controlled by a few wealthy people.
What are they so frightened of?

That workers might regain some rights? Property might regain some balance, so our DCs are not priced out of the market? An education system that promotes equality, not reinforces inequality? A basic network of a justice system, that protects all instead of just the rich? A NHS that will be there for our DCs and not sold out to line the pockets of a few rich people, like SEN and mental health services have been.

The social fabric of this country is in jeopardy and that affects everyone, rich and poor alike.

Bluntness100 · 27/11/2019 16:30

The thing that voters need to decide is did Corbyn deliberately lie or is he so incompetent he didn't actually know low earners would pay more tax, that there was not 60 billion in reserves, or how they would fund it.

Because it's one or the other. He either lied, or he actually was confused and didn't know.

Neither is a positive.

Devereux1 · 27/11/2019 16:30

@Blkllama

How was the interview "stitched up"?

AhNowTed · 27/11/2019 16:31

@MrsDoylesTea

Jezbollah?
Normal people?

Name calling is the last refuge of those who can't make or have lost the argument.

There's really no need for that. Unless you're The Sun.

Bluntness100 · 27/11/2019 16:32

So a stitch up TV interview

How was it a stitch up? People keep asking this, how was it a stitch up, how was he not given a fair hearing, why is no one able to answer?

A stitch up is not asking someone questions on policy they would rather you didn't. Hmm

Spamantha · 27/11/2019 16:38

Entrophy - yes, but which has greater leverage, the UK or the US?
Exactly. If the Torries win and Brexit happens, we'll be desperate for a US trade deal. Any deal will favour the US more than the UK and we'll have little choice but to cave to various demands.

In 6 months time it so, those telling us Johnson would never sell off the NHS will switch to telling us why it's a good thing he's doing it.

FizzGivesYouWhizz · 27/11/2019 16:42

I've given JC the benefit of the doubt on antisemitism in the past. I regret that now, after hearing the evasive way he responded to this question from Neil:

" Is it anti-Semitic to say Rothschild’s Zionists run Israel and world governments?"

Why could he not just say yes? How hard could that be?

I now have no doubt that he is an antisemite to his bones, and I will not vote for him.

AhNowTed · 27/11/2019 16:44

Interesting how Labour revealed the unredacted document, which had somehow gone unnoticed by the investigative powers of a largely right wing media.

Now why would that be Hmm

JPharm · 27/11/2019 16:57

Why would you pay good money to watch an interview of others by Andrew Neil , if according to you, the interview would totally be about Andrew Neil hmm

That’s not what I said. I said the right would be up in arms if a left wing journalist (e.g. Owen Jones) used the same tactics whilst interviewing BJ. I’d pay good money to see said interview but I’d concede it wouldn’t necessarily be fair as he has a conflict of interest.