To think that it's impossible to vote for Jeremy Corbyn after last night's interview?

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To be upfront : I would never vote for Labour or Corbyn anyway, for various reasons.. But that was not a good interview and had I been considering it I would be very concerned now.

Devereux1 he was like a dog with a bone. Every moment he uttered more than 3 words he was interrupting him. There are less aggressive methods.

Emergencycake
Devereux1 he was like a dog with a bone.

Super, that's what we want every interviewer to be.

Every moment he uttered more than 3 words he was interrupting him.

Most of the time, yes, he had to. Why do you think that was?

There are less aggressive methods.

I don't think interrupting someone in this context is "aggressive". But anyway, what would you have done?

Also, what would you have done on the £60 billion question?

There are less aggressive methods.

generally unpleasant

hectoring

bullying

The insults about Andrew Neil are so interesting. Do you all post memes on facebook about being kind? It's that type of virtue signalling that makes me vomit about the left these days.

All these insults are designed to firmly position yourself as morally superior, and furthermore that everyone will agree all the time (with you) and if they don't they are some sort of aggressive bully.

The left will eat itself up with all of this nonsense. Just ask Justin Trudeau.

Clavinova You made a point of saying that the pledge to compensate the WASPI was not costed in their manifesto and criticised them for this. I made the point that the Tories have pledged to build 40 new hospitals and this is not costed in their manifesto. Like for like. If it's right to criticise Labour for not costing something, you have to do the same for the Tories.

You can't just demonise one party for something that, in effect, the other party have done just the same.

I don't think it was that bad. I think Andrew Neil is awful though. He is terrible at interviews as pp's have said, clearly very biased (let's see if Boris is subject to the same interview style) and likes the sound of his voice and talks over everyone. I actually felt far more empathy for JC and NS having to deal with his rantings and rudeness, which is probably not the effect he wanted. The way he has questioned NS and JC so far means we know very little about the nitty gritty of their policies (when they plan to roll them out etc) which is what I want to know about. It was an utter waste of my time, and I found the interviews incredibly frustrating as AN did little to help me answer my own questions in my head.

So yes, I can still vote Labour and haven't been put off as I still have questions I have yet to answer, but if I had to vote for AN doing these interviews again I definitely wouldn't. The interviewer should never come across worse than the interviewee in these circumstances.

I agree it was cringemaking. AN was aggressive, but that's what we want, surely? JC just fell apart.

It makes no sense to say you won’t vote Labour because of their anti-semitism problem then vote for a Tory government which has as big of an anti-Islamic problem that they haven’t even acknowledged.

Also don’t be fooled by the Hindu or Sikh Councils. Both have huge internal problems with anti-Islamism, anti-Semitism, and each other.

I've seen a facebook message from a consultant at one of the hospitals that Boris Johnson has visited during the election campaign.Every consultant in the department he visited refused to meet him & the nursing staff hid in the laundry store until he had gone, in the end the only staff who met him was one nurse who had no idea about politics & a couple of staff who were virtually forced to

Adoring looks of adoration from staff at this hospital in Harlow.

www.yourharlow.com/2019/09/27/pm-boris-johnson-visits-princess-alexandra-hospital/

I had a post reported and deleted on this thread which described why I think JC probably is an anti-Semite.

So I didn't profress anti-Semitic views, I pondered on why JC may be anti-semitic.

A perfect illustration of hard left virtue signalling and the relentless desire to appear morally superior over others - authoritarian control of speech with no recognition of context or meaning. Another example is Boris' letterbox comment.

Labour are the only party ever to be investigated by the Equalities and Human Right Commission - except for the BNP, of course

Perhaps, then, it's no surprise to see reports that Labour don't consider the EHRC independent enough and plan to change that: politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/108205/labour-accused-%E2%80%98undermining%E2%80%99-anti-semitism-probe

And while like others I admired Emily Maitlis's approach when interviewing Andrew, it's worth remembering he isn't a professional politician and answered her questions ... even if we didn't like the comments, at least he addressed what was asked

Politicians, on the other hand, tend not to

I really, really despise Corbyn but to be honest, I think Andrew Neil is shite. He is aggressive to the point of not getting an accurate picture of the interviewee.

That being said, of course I have to note that Corbyn seems to not even remotely have his figures in order. What a shocker.

*After seeing Jeremy Corbyn holding up the documents that prove that the Tories are selling our NHS to Donald Trump

Cmon now, behave, we all know that's not what they contained.*

The US has no interest in the NHS as such. What is however of great interest to them is access to the UK market and negotiating huge increases in the price of medicine. If they get their way and we see 500% or even 1000% increase on meds then universal healthcare which is free at point of delivery is dead. The NHS as we (still) know it would be dead and buried.

ShatnersWig
You can't just demonise one party for something that, in effect, the other party have done just the same.

I thought "Fully Costed" was Labour's catchphrase?

I said I was happy to read your link if you provided one (later, I have to pick up the dc). I provided a link - here it is again;

"Labour's misleading 100bn tax cut claim."

"For example, Labour say £86bn of the £100bn total comes from corporation tax cuts. But using what we understand Labour’s methodology to be, the net giveaway to businesses is substantially less: around £7bn."

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-labours-misleading-100bn-tax-cut-claim

The US has no interest in the NHS as such. What is however of great interest to them is access to the UK market and negotiating huge increases in the price of medicine. If they get their way and we see 500% or even 1000% increase on meds then universal healthcare which is free at point of delivery is dead. The NHS as we (still) know it would be dead and buried.

This is such a pointless piece of speculation.

This is such a pointless piece of speculation.

It also might be cheaper....imagine that!

The US has no interest in the NHS as such.What is however of great interest to them is access to the UK market and negotiating huge increases in the price of medicine.

How odd then that the EU and the US signed a trade agreement on
pharmaceuticals in July this year;

This statement must be secret code for "we want more expensive medicines."

"The positive transatlantic trade agenda established in the Joint Statement includes a commitment from both sides to reduce barriers and increase trade in a range of sectors, including pharmaceuticals."

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_19_4090

If they get their way and we see 500% or even 1000% increase on meds then universal healthcare which is free at point of delivery is dead.

Really, you’ve bought the conspiracy theories hook, line and sinker. This is probably the most ridiculous statement I’ve seen on MN this week.

Why would any government do this? Please don’t start on any shit about big pharma paying billions to the tories. It’s just more conspiracy nuts.

I really can't see th issue of the states being able to sell to the nhs. The nhs decides who they buy from and as long as they get th best deal possible, who gives a shit if they are from America or not.

Do people not realise that when they suggest that other people 'virtue signalling' is distasteful and not something they would engage in, they are, in fact 'virtue signalling'.
But yes, the interview wasn't great, Andrew N was an aggressive arse, however the alternative is a man so chaotic that his own brother prefers to resign than work with him. So, still labour for me.

Every moment he uttered more than 3 words he was interrupting him

Yeah, because JC wasn't even attempting to answer the questions.

@curlykaren
But yes, the interview wasn't great, Andrew N was an aggressive arse

Why do you think the interview wasn't great?

Are there any mainstream religions that don't have a problem with sex?

You can't point the finger at Muslims alone, that's crackers.

Anyway, the NHS will almost certainly remain free at the point of use under the Tories. What will happen is the number of treatments available will decrease. Quality will decrease etc

Private providers will offer more and more services to fill the gaps. Effectively creating a two tier service.

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@Bluntness100 its a problem because of things like this,

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/richard-branson-virgin-care-nhs-privatisation-outsourcing-contracts-a8482826.html

I really can't see th issue of the states being able to sell to the nhs. The nhs decides who they buy from and as long as they get th best deal possible, who gives a shit if they are from America or not.

As one with a healthy respect for free markets and freedom in general, I still always had a grudging respect for Corbyn as a man of principle - no more. He has made such an arse of himself with this Trump nonsense.

How on earth does he propose to you know, work with Trump if he were to be PM?

He's just a third rate agitator, he should really be a geography teacher.