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To think that it's impossible to vote for Jeremy Corbyn after last night's interview?

771 replies

PleaseDontLaugh · 27/11/2019 05:56

To be upfront : I would never vote for Labour or Corbyn anyway, for various reasons.. But that was not a good interview and had I been considering it I would be very concerned now.

OP posts:
JPharm · 27/11/2019 13:33

The whole transcript is here. Corbyn answers questions, Neil does not like the answers so repeatedly asks and interrupts. I realise I’m giving Neil more web traffic than I want him to have here.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/full-transcript-jeremy-corbyn-grilled-by-andrew-neil/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Lookingforpizza · 27/11/2019 13:35

I'm voting based on policies I think are the best and the likelihood of them being followed through. I wouldn't trust any of the party leaders with a barge pole so that removes that element from my voting choice.

Lookingforpizza · 27/11/2019 13:36

Not sure what wouldn't trust with a barge pole means in my last post Grin I am very sleep deprived but hopefully you get me point. I don't trust them!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2019 13:37

Is it a 'stunt'? Or is it keeping the public informed of what is being planned?

Hard to say unless we know what exactly's in the documents - which is why I asked the poster who claimed they "prove" something so presumably knows

BlueEyedBengal · 27/11/2019 13:39

I come from a ex mining town that is labour through and through, but the last few years due to the cuts and council cuts to Services has now gone independent control. My husband is a veteran that was blown up in the troubles in n Ireland and he was a Labour Party member and in the leadership race voted J C, that was before we found out about his friendship to the I R A. I will never vote labour until labour drop J C and also recognition that J C is intending to ignore a democratic vote that he won't even give a answer on if he will leave or stay. Also the lack of respect for the Jewish people that have had a part of making Britain great how does he think that's going for him?

Pan2 · 27/11/2019 13:39

I know what's in the documents, but I can't tell you.

Drabarni · 27/11/2019 13:47

Alltheprettyseahorses

The general gist can be found here, but I've countless articles on my threads. Not sure how to link them, they're in chat "Ethnic cleansing again" and in petitions if you want your MP to join the other MP's against the proposal to eradicate a whole race.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/13/priti-patel-demonisation-gypsies-prejudice-bigotry?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR2pQc750NncYgayf_bl_OUHRDlYn7rEUCNHPLA1amCB2iIcfQ7cRvbEAhc

Clavinova · 27/11/2019 13:48

After seeing Jeremy Corbyn holding up the documents that prove that the Tories are selling our NHS to Donald Trump, I can't see how anyone can vote Conservative

"The real bombshell is these documents do prove Corbyn lied to the audience during the TV debate, when he supposedly read from the documents showed an offer of “full market access for US products”– these documents prove no such phrase exists."

order-order.com/2019/11/27/corbyns-redacted-negotiation-documents-dont-mention-nhs/

dinosaurcookie · 27/11/2019 13:50

So much focus on corbyn and racism when Boris Johnson has openly compared Muslim women to letterboxes and black people piccaninnies with watermelon smiles. If you won't vote Labour as they are racist then you certainly shouldn't vote Conservative.

CendrillonSings · 27/11/2019 13:54

@dinosaurcookie

So if admit that Labour are racist, I presume you won’t be voting for them? Labour are the only party ever to be investigated by the Equalities and Human Right Commission - except for the BNP, of course!

Trewser · 27/11/2019 14:02

This has genuinely crossed my mind recently, too. Given that MN is mostly filled with intelligent, decent and honest adults I am shocked at how many are prepared to take their chance with the upcoming vote

Why on earth would you think that? I do agree there have been odd one off threads started by both sides, but more people vote Conservative than Labour as we've seen in the last few general elections.

MrsDoylesTea · 27/11/2019 14:07

Wow, Momentum will have a huge bill today for all this hard work you lot are putting in...

Meanwhile in the real world, things just go from bad to worse for Labour - horrible behaviour towards journalists at a press conference they called, and out and out scaremongering - not to mention waving around and printing out a restricted document!

Sakura7 · 27/11/2019 14:10

My husband is a veteran that was blown up in the troubles in n Ireland and he was a Labour Party member and in the leadership race voted J C, that was before we found out about his friendship to the I R A.

That is absolute nonsense. Corbyn believes in talking to both sides of a conflict in order to negotiate peace. He spoke to Sinn Fein and to senior loyalists such as David Ervine. Thatcher's government held talks with the IRA leadership in the early 90s, but that was kept quiet at the time.

The Good Friday Agreement would never have happened if politicians refused to engage with these people. The claim that Jeremy Corbyn is a friend of the IRA is utterly outrageous, and is clearly designed to smear him.

AhNowTed · 27/11/2019 14:14

@Sakura7

"Thatcher's government held talks with the IRA leadership in the early 90s,"

Absolutely right. So did Heath's before her, and Major's and Blair's.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 27/11/2019 14:19

Governments had a duty to speak to people like the IRA. The Troubles had to be ended. I am not sure that duty extended to random backbenchers

Mammyloveswine · 27/11/2019 14:19

I am so pleased to come onto this thread and see people with actual common sense.

The chief Rabbi is a Tory and a friend of boris Johnson, of course he is going to condemn Corbyn!

As for last nights "interview" Andrew Neil
Just butted in and shouted at Jeremy.

Jeremy Corbyn is a man of principles, labours manifesto is costed and I think it says everything about him that his Brexit policy will be to negotiate a deal and give the public a sensible vote on whether to stay or go.

We SHOULD have a pm who is neutral, especially as the vote originally was almost 50/50! The point of the government is to represent EVERYONE not just half!

It saddens me that people would prefer a racist misogynist who was initially pro-EU (a quick google brings plenty of results showing this) but quickly changed his mind to further his career yet spout vitriol and lies about a man who is eloquent and has vehemently stuck to his beliefs and principles over the years.

I am shocked and saddened at the bullying that is going on the press (daily mail and the sun in particular) and I'm outraged that this is allowed to happened. We should have a neutral press that simply report facts, not propaganda, so that actually everybody can make their mind up by being properly informed by what each party actually stands for. The daily mail literally just bashed Corbyn and the Labour Party and barely actually mentions the "positives" of voting conservative. It is a total disgrace.

Op as you admit you would "never vote labour anyway" then your opinion is not valid, you will only see what you want to see and that is to slag off an entire party. I assume you are a Tory voter? I could post similar about boris Johnson however I prefer to canvass in my local area and share with voters what their local labour mp, and Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn, will do for them.

MrsDoylesTea · 27/11/2019 14:21

@AhNowTed

Yes - but they were in government. Corbyn wasn't and was not acting on behalf of a peace process.

I'm Northern Irish. He's well known as an IRA sympathiser.

MarshmallowMuggle · 27/11/2019 14:24

Isn’t it funny how people read things differently? I don’t see AN as “not liking the answers so repeatedly interrupting”.

I see JC trying to answer the questions he wanted, not the questions he got asked, and AN trying to get a straight answer out of him.

Alsohuman · 27/11/2019 14:25

I heard this morning Corbyn wants 40% windfall tax when you sell your on your home.

Where did you hear this? And do you have a link. I’m pretty obsessed with politics and I haven’t seen or heard it.

Drabarni · 27/11/2019 14:26

cendrillon

They may be the only party to be investigated, but did you not see my post.

BOTH Preti racist Patel and Boris are being investigated. get your facts right.

HarryElephante · 27/11/2019 14:26

Confirmation bias.

BarbourellaTheCoatzilla · 27/11/2019 14:28

inews.co.uk/news/dwp-benefits-man-declared-fit-to-work-death-suicide-500866

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-47332954

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/autistic-man-28-found-dead-20080050

If you vote tory YOU are responsible for the deaths of these people. You're voting for a party that is systematically culling the group of society who need help the most, while bolstering the bank balances of the richest of the rich.

If you have a SHRED of humanity about you, you can't vote tory. You are knowingly voting for a party that is OPENLY homophobic, racist, mysogenistic, xenophobic and morally repugnant and LAUGH about it.

Don't vote for corbyn if you don't like him, but don't try and justify voting for the tories.

Theworldisfullofgs · 27/11/2019 14:28

I think if you can't vote for Corbyn because you have concerns re anti semitism then you can't contemplate voting for Johnson/Conservative because of concerns re Islamophobia, and racism particularly given Johnson's language.

If you are not thinking about both issues in the same space then you are being hypocritical.

BlueEyedBengal · 27/11/2019 14:28

J C was not in government so it wasn't his place to have dealings with the I R A indeed he wasn't even the opposition leader so saying he had to deal with the I r a is wrong that was for government to do

GhostofFrankGrimes · 27/11/2019 14:31

Many back bench MPs take up causes, otherwise they wouldn't really be earning their salary would they?