To think that it's impossible to vote for Jeremy Corbyn after last night's interview?

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To be upfront : I would never vote for Labour or Corbyn anyway, for various reasons.. But that was not a good interview and had I been considering it I would be very concerned now.

@JPharm Yes, this! There is a huge difference between bullying someone and properly scrutinising them. Neil is the chairman of a right wing media platform, he was never going to give Corbyn a fair hearing

I am genuinely intrigued by this. Could you give an actual example of how Andrew Neil failed to allow Corbyn a fair hearing in the interview last night?

(Boris) can barely form a sentence

This is perfectly true; the man's a total fool and it's yet another reason why Labour should be streets ahead - but they're not, because it seems too many people simply can't tolerate what's been done to the party

As said, my hope isn't for this election but the next one - by which time Labour might have come to their senses

I'm also curious how he didn't get a fair hearing. I don't perceive asking him things like will you apologise, why are you saying people on low incomes won't pay more tax and how will you pay for the pensions as not giving him a fair hearing.

Unless a fair hearing is considered don't ask him the questions he'd rather not answer,,,

After seeing Jeremy Corbyn holding up the documents that prove that the Tories are selling our NHS to Donald Trump, I can't see how anyone can vote Conservative.

So you can’t find anything racist or homophobic that Corbyn has said

Corbyn was an invisible backbencher for most of his long political career. There was little or no interest in him so it's no surprise there wasn't much mainstream coverage of what he got up to. Yet he was still caught on camera ranting about Israel for example, or nodding along to others calling for the destruction of Jews. And he was filmed attacking 3 British Jewish men in the same room as him with 'Zionists don't understand English irony,' turning the status of those 3 British men into 'other'. If you want to pretend it wasn't racist, insert any other group or religion you choose into what he said. On top of this there are all those Holocaust deniers he defended or attended their speeches. I have to say I've never been to one - I wouldn't even know where to begin in finding one even if I wanted to! I don't know anyone else who has either.

There's a definite whiff of homophobic ignorance in his 2017 statement about gay people choosing to be gay which was quickly reinterpreted by his team, as so many of Corbyn's statements have been, as him not actually meaning what he said. So the LotO who had been an MP for 34 years at the time and in politics long before that he somehow didn't know what he meant. Okay.

The problem we have here is Labour voters rightly expect something better from the party which is why so many are turning away. It's no good pointing fingers at Johnson who may or may not be as bad - if Tory voters stay despite him, it's their choice. It doesn't make it the fault of potential Labour voters that they can't vote Labour; it's the so-called leadership's.

(as an aside, that's interesting about Johnson voting to repeal S28. If we're comparing voting records, it's useful to know that Corbyn never turned up)

Didn’t Corbyn say something about LBGT people “choosing” to be gay a couple of years ago? Obviously it’s not as bad as the BJ quote, but it’s also not great.

God I am so depressed at our choices. Can someone wake me up in 10 years’ time please?

A fair hearing is epitomised by Maitlis’ style. Ask a question, watch the interviewee dig a hole, ask another question, watch them dig deeper. Let them end up not even realise she’s left them bleeding. She’s so good at this stuff. Neil’s just a blustering bully.

Drabarni Proof please.

Don't forget the interview was on the Backing Boris Corporation, who should be neutral but have always sided with the Tories, just like most of the papers do. We need a neutral press.

After seeing Jeremy Corbyn holding up the documents that prove that the Tories are selling our NHS to Donald Trump, I can't see how anyone can vote Conservative.

Perhaps because those documents actually prove sod all? We’re not all stupid enough to fall for desperate Labour propaganda stunts.

Could you give an actual example of how Andrew Neil failed to allow Corbyn a fair hearing in the interview last night?

Constant interruptions, didn’t even allow him to speak at all! Corbyn said multiple times that he should be allowed to answer the question and Neil repeatedly talked over him. He was rude and condescending.

I wonder if he will read all the bigoted things Tory party members have said to BJ? Not that he’d have enough time to.

Don't forget the interview was on the Backing Boris Corporation, who should be neutral but have always sided with the Tories, just like most of the papers do. We need a neutral press.

I shudder to think what kind of far-left Pravda the BBC would become under Corbyn.

I heard this morning Corbyn wants 40% windfall tax when you sell your on your home. Don’t think so!

Anybody who votes tory are voting for racism, maybe indirectly but they are supporting a racist party.

Said just as you would expect from the left wing under Corbyn.

I am traditionally left but I think a lot of people are failing to see the problem with this HARD left type of politics that Corbyn offers. They are playing on your good nature to want the best for people by proffering policies that seem to be unarguably good, but really are a disaster and won't deliver what you think they will (good for all!)

Corbyn wants to put back under state control railways, water, energy utilities, postal services and broadband infrastructure. Also most health care provision currently provided by private firms on contract to Britain’s National Health Service, and prisons would no longer be run by private firms.

He plans to fund this by increased taxes and borrowing.

But to what end? Why do you think this will improve things? Look at history - were the trains better under British Rail? What will you do if your broadband doesn't work and you want a faster line? What will you do when borrowing has become so high for the NHS and you have an urgent medical condition and you want to pile everything you have into a private consultation but you can't because there aren't any? What will you do when the inevitable strikes come in these institutions and there are no alternatives?

We all want better services, but his socialist ideas and demonisation of capitalism are terrifying

Jeremy Corbyn is anti-Israeli government policy. That is NOT the same as anti-Semitic

This sums it up perfectly for me. I'm not pro-Corbyn at all; he's a flawed leader and has mishandled some of the challenges thrown at him. But versus Johnson and the Tories? He wins by a mile every time. It wasn't an interview so much as an outright attack, meanwhile Johnson is universally acting inept and useless in every single interview and somehow being applauded for it.

I've taught for the last 7 years in our local area. Each September our new intake arrives and we get to know them, their families, their lives. Over the 7 years I've taught more and more 4 and 5 year olds have arrived in my class without food in their bellies, without adequate clothing for the weather, without the very basics that all humans deserve. I'm expected to have these little ones writing a paragraph by the end of their first year of school and they regularly arrive saying things like "we didn't have tea last night, Mum had no money for food".

So no, I couldn't bring myself to vote Tory because there's not a hope in hell a single one of their leaders will change the future that lies ahead for those young children in my class. I'm not a die-hard Labour supporter and would happily switch allegiance if I believed truly that those young people in my care stood a remote chance of a better deal under a different leadership.

We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. As a leader JC is at best a failure; he has no business vying for PM.
However I loathe the Tories, especially now. How can we let them destroy our ties to our closest partners and plunder our public services for the good of big US companies?

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/27/jeremy-corbyn-reveals-dossier-proving-nhs-up-for-sale

This sums it up perfectly for me. I'm not pro-Corbyn at all; he's a flawed leader and has mishandled some of the challenges thrown at him. But versus Johnson and the Tories?

I feel this way too. I don’t think he’s the best choice of leader at this moment in time but he’s a principled and honest man and I can’t stand to see him treated in the way he has been by the right wing media. Lots if anti-labour posts make me wonder if the Russian bots have got to MN.

Just how many of our utilities have been sold off to non-UK companies? Hardly "standing up for Britain/unleashing our potential" is it?

I see next week the West Coast mainline is going to be run by a partnership including a private Italian train company. Such investment in ourselves.

Besides I read that a large number of European countries run energy/mail/transport/etc well enough, for the national benefit. What makes posters believe we couldn't do it?

Or is it just the belief that you shouldn't do anything without a profit motive, or asking "what's in it for me?"

JPharm
Could you give an actual example of how Andrew Neil failed to allow Corbyn a fair hearing in the interview last night?

Constant interruptions, didn’t even allow him to speak at all! Corbyn said multiple times that he should be allowed to answer the question and Neil repeatedly talked over him.

If I asked you your age, and you replied "yellow, green, blue" are you answering the question?
If I asked you again and again what your age was, and you answered with a colour or a pet dog name, do you accept that this is not answering the question?

So JPharm, and anybody else who keeps saying Neil didn't allow Corbyn t answer, what exactly do you think an interviewer should do when faced with the above situation?

Do you think they should allow 30 minutes to be filled with answers which have nothing to do with the question? Just and endless back of forth of colours and pet dog names?
Or do you think the interviewer should persist, point out they are not answering the question, and interrupt each subsequent time they fail to answer?

Can you give an exact example JParm of a question which Andrew Neil did not allow Corbyn to actually answer?

After seeing Jeremy Corbyn holding up the documents that prove that the Tories are selling our NHS to Donald Trump, I can't see how anyone can vote Conservative

I'm especially interested in this since it's exactly the sort of thing I expected as the election draws closer - and yes, I fully expect Boris to pull the same stunts too

You obviously know precisely what's in these documents, though, as you've said they "prove" the Tories are selling the NHS to Trump

So could you perhaps share what they say with us?

Is it a 'stunt'? Or is it keeping the public informed of what is being planned?

Lots if anti-labour posts make me wonder if the Russian bots have got to MN.

This has genuinely crossed my mind recently, too. Given that MN is mostly filled with intelligent, decent and honest adults I am shocked at how many are prepared to take their chance with the upcoming vote.

It's all okay, we're safe.

Johnson has just given a cast-iron guarantee that the NHS isn't for sale....

phew!

The interview with Boris may well be as bad tempered as yesterday's but Boris will say in a roundabout, hard to pin down way, whatever will get him out of the hole in front of him. There will be glib apologies, waffling and chuckles.

Perhaps because those documents actually prove sod all? We’re not all stupid enough to fall for desperate Labour propaganda stunts.*

From the person who a couple of days ago gleefully shared a fictitious quote from the evening standard. They retracted it. She didn't despite me tagging her.