Tory MN round 2 - a place for Tories to gather ...

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And be ritually abused, of course

I'm sure those 3 being rabidly anti Brexit has nothing at aaaaallll to do with them being anti BJ

Of course not. They are just decent fellas

@Alsohuman I absolutely don't agree with "endless " general elections at all but when parliament is in deadlock and the government are trying to get brexit done they have basically had their hands tied and forced into doing this.
Remember the country voted to leave and we should respect that.
I would rather remain absolutely but we lost and need to respect the decision of the majority.

Alsohuman it was Blair who broke the housing market. Most of the current social inequalities stem from that. (I left the country in 1998 after a decade of stable house prices - I returned 2 years later and they had gone up 50% and I could barely afford to buy my way back on the ladder)

Blair also broke education and health via trusts and academisation and PFI.

He broke the Constitution via Scottish devolution.

He introduced University Fees.

He traded higher as of right upgrading of child benefit and unemployment benefits in favour of means testing. Labour then endorsed UC to fix the flaws they had created in TC.

Blair was exponentially more Right Wing than Thatcher. That is why Centrist Remainers love him and are desperate to use Remain to get rid of Corbyn. It is also why Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine and John Major prefer the LibDems to Boris.

it was Blair who broke the housing market. Most of the current social inequalities stem from that

Precisely. Gordon Brown was the architect of the Buy to Let paradigm. It was the Tories who hiked stamp duty and abolished tax relief on BTL mortgages.

“Michael and Ken Clarke, both members of Thatcher’s cabinet, advising a LibDem vote? John Major, Thatcher’s Chancellor and Foreign Secretary telling us the NHS isn’t safe in the hands of this Tory incarnation? That should tell you all you need to know.”

Rubbish. They are lifelong true blue fgs, it has fuck all to do with what they think about current Tory policy and everything to do with staying in the EU. Whatever they may say, all roads lead back to that position.

One must separate remainer politics from legitimate criticism of Johnson.

Absolutely, and to be fair, there's a lot of criticism of Johnson that is wholly legitimate but the question is whether those concerns are more important than the concerns raised about Corbyn or Swinson.

It was the Tories who hiked stamp duty and abolished tax relief on BTL mortgages.

I do despise the stamp duty. I suppose it's meant to dampen speculation, but if you have a house in London that is less than perfect, forget about moving.

I’m equally sceptical about Tony Blairs interventions over the Labour Party. Especially when this current shower of momentum buffoons were already swelling in their ranks beneath his and Browns Leadership.

but if you have a house in London that is less than perfect, forget about moving

Yes, it’s definitely had a dampening effect on the property market. The Conservatives introduced it to deflate Brown’s property bubble, but it’s a counter intuitive measure for Conservatives

Bovary x, wasn’t stamp duty Tony Blairs baby?

The housing market is a complete red herring. It’s completely irrelevant to people reduced to using foodbanks and sleeping in shop doorways. Housing in this country was decimated by right to buy which Thatcher used to bribe council house tenants. Buy to let wouldn’t exist if there was enough social housing.

University fees, while part of a deluded attempt to get 50% of the population into higher education, began at a sensible rate. The coalition pushed them through the roof.

Not that I’m defending Blair but to blame the appalling inequality of our society on a government that’s been out of office for nearly ten years is risible.

Sorry another question from me.... Has JC been too egotistical in his ideologies in this campaign? What I mean is would you consider that his vision has swung the party to a hard left and thus turning the middle left to vote Tory? Would a watered down manifesto that still covered social reform and the safeguarding of the NHS appeal to more and be more economically viable (ie stepping away from nationalisation/ trade unions)? Would it have reduced, what I see to be a huge gulf of differences between both sets of voters? I keep reading that the rich are scared of Corbyn yet more than 5% of the population will vote for Johnson. So therefore it can't JUST be tax increases that all Tory voters upset about

I may be misunderstanding you of course!

Bovary x, wasn’t stamp duty Tony Blairs baby?

Yup, definitely his fault.

Stamp duty land tax (SDLT) is paid on any property purchase of more than £125,000. Stamp duty was introduced in England in 1694 during the reign of William and Mary as a transaction tax to raise money for war against France and was raised on goods including hats, newspapers and patent medicines.8 Mar 2017

No idea what that proves? Were there many houses selling above £125000 in 1694?

The Conservatives significantly hiked it. The Telegraph had a campaign against it

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/11/stamp-duty-rise-mistake-must-reversed-tories-win-election-says/amp/

No idea what that proves? Were there many houses selling above £125000 in 1694? hmm

Well done, you’ve won the Internet, let alone the thread, for today.

Don’t be so obtuse. I’m talking about the reintroduction of it in any significant way by Teflon Tony and you bloody know it. Coming at me with some crap about 1694, was meaningless as you well know. Bovary, thank you, yes you are correct it was raised ‘again’ under the tories, however I seem to remember there being an albeit smaller outcry about it in the late 90’s, I first purchased a house in 2002.

I think that was what I meant circus... it can't just be down to financial loss (as according to Labour only 5% will lose out) as many staunch labour voters on my FB are claiming.... it must be the policies too that just aren't resonating with the majority of voters.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/budget97/live/housing.shtml

I believe when the NHS was mooted is was derided as "communist". The right wing view seems to be wealth accumulation for a tiny minority and to hell with spending money on services that will benefit the majority.

Don't know how tories can generally complain about spending given the billions squandered (so far) on brexit.

Gordon Brown, under Blair. So I was partly right, I remember it being seen as significantly unfair in the south east. ^

Human isn’t this usually where you just start telling people how stupid they are?

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Human isn’t this usually where you just start telling people how stupid they are?

She already intimated it... see below.

“Well done, you’ve won the Internet, let alone the thread, for today.”