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Tory MN round 2 - a place for Tories to gather ...

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Goddessofgrowth · 26/11/2019 08:37

And be ritually abused, of course Grin

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Alsohuman · 26/11/2019 11:53

Considering his party wants Soviet style media control via nationalized broadband, it’s more “slight exaggeration” than hyperbole!

More hyperbole, keep going, it’s hugely entertaining.

EntropyRising · 26/11/2019 11:55

Ha! And of course, they have been used by some of the most admirable regimes in history. Or something.....

Yes, we all know well that something's gotta give when the asset grab begins, it may as well be free movement of capital.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 26/11/2019 11:57

Hyperbole... 🤔

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/11/2019 11:57

scaryteacher yes, I believe we're talking about the same thread. Between the deletions and the obscenities it's a bit hard to work out what point the OP's trying to make, so I gave up in favour of more rational discussion

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 26/11/2019 11:58

More hyperbole...

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EntropyRising · 26/11/2019 11:58

What thread is that, then?

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 26/11/2019 11:59

Lovely chap is Mao-zedonnell. Nothing to worry about here. Nothing at all.

BovaryX · 26/11/2019 11:59

when the asset grab begins, it may as well be free movement of capital

Yes. Godwin’s Law prevents me from citing any historical example.....

BovaryX · 26/11/2019 12:02

Actually a lot have decamped to a different thread, where the tone's more in keeping with their own ...

Is that the one about why I am so relieved none of my friends vote vampire?

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 26/11/2019 12:03

“Is that the one about why I am so relieved none of my friends vote vampire?”

Yep! 10/10 🙌🙌😂

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/11/2019 12:05

Something about "feeling worried about the future", followed by pages of bile and obscenities ... you'll probably stumble across it soon enough Wink

MzPumpkinPie · 26/11/2019 12:17

Sad you've had to start another thread because the last one was jumped on by the momentum fantasists.
I didn't vote leave but I believe that because the majority of the country voted to leave the EU, then we bloody well should.
Demanding new referendums and tying parliament in knots to try and get your own way is not exactly democratic is it?
Stupid me thought we did live in a democracy?
These people are like petulant toddlers, stamping their feet and screaming until they get their own way.
Shall we just keep having referendums until they get the answer they want?
Any politician who can't / doesn't want to honour the results of a UK wide vote should step down and shut up.
At least we know Boris will keep his promise but as for Jezza , you can't pin him down on what his position is.
He's annoyingly evasive and I think just the puppet of momentum and the very very far left.
Personally I'm centre left and the Labour Party does have some amazing politicians still but a lot of the new batch from the last election and the new candidates are just momentum mouthpieces too.
I asked my prospective labour MP why I should vote for her and all she could say is because I'm local ( 13 miles away actually and a different county / demographic to our constituency) she then proceeded to read from a piece of paper in a robotic fashion a shortened version of the momentum manifesto!
I know the current Tory MP, he's a bit of a pompous twit but he's helped me with a few things and regularly pops up at local steering groups for disabled children and carers.
Unfortunately a life long labour supporter being enticed to the dark side because I honestly trust Boris more than Jezza.
That nice old man act just isn't washing with me.
He looks ready for the knackers yard to be fair!

Hefzi · 26/11/2019 12:18

PixieN wasn't that the document produced by JVL or something similar? Confused Anyway, I don't think it's "proof that JC doesn't have an antisemitic bone in his body" unless by "proof" you mean "propaganda" Grin

EntropyRising I am afraid you are wrong about what IHRA. It merely differentiates between legitimate and illegitimate criticism of Israel, rather than stifling all criticism.

What it says is essentially that demonisation, delegitimisation and double-standards are antisemitism, but not criticism of the nature that you would apply to any other nation state. It's really not controversial - which is why, for example, the police and government use it for their definition of antisemitism.

I don't think JC is an antisemite himself, as I think he is one of a very, very few anti-Zionists that aren't (most are, because when you drill into it, it's actually only the self-determination of Jews they oppose, not borders and nations everywhere, to over simplify enormously) but, no doubt because of his Internationalist stance, he hasn't come down on the enormous amount of endemic, institutional antisemitism that pervades many layers of the Labour Party. This is a serious problem.

If the Chief Rabbi has issues - I believe him. In the same way, if Harun Khan said he had a problem with Tory Islamophobia or whatever, I would believe him too (though I am aware that many British Muslims feel that the MCB only represents a certain tradition of Islam, rather than all Muslims, no matter the intention when it was created

EntropyRising · 26/11/2019 12:24

I didn't vote leave but I believe that because the majority of the country voted to leave the EU, then we bloody well should.

As a once moderate, now zealous leaver, I do appreciate this.

EntropyRising I am afraid you are wrong about what IHRA. It merely differentiates between legitimate and illegitimate criticism of Israel, rather than stifling all criticism.

What it says is essentially that demonisation, delegitimisation and double-standards are antisemitism, but not criticism of the nature that you would apply to any other nation state. It's really not controversial - which is why, for example, the police and government use it for their definition of antisemitism.

In the strongest terms possible, I object to the police forming any judgement of whether my criticism of Israel, or any state for that matter, could be considered demonisation, delegitimisation, or a double standard.

As it happens, I think (as one who is generally sympathetic to Palestine) there are a lot of double standards where Israel is concerned, but then again, this could be said of most any anti-state discourse.

scaryteacher · 26/11/2019 12:26

Epic That's the one.

Alsohuman · 26/11/2019 12:32

Sad you've had to start another thread because the last one was jumped on by the momentum fantasists

The last thread is full but don’t let the facts get in the way of a good fantasy.

So you object to more than one referendum “because democracy” but you’re entirely happy with apparently endless general elections in the hope that somehow someone will get a majority in this deeply divided country. Very logical.

Personally I’m pretty sceptical about erstwhile Labour voters feeling impelled to vote for the most right wing government we’ve seen post war, a government that makes Thatcher look benign.

Goddessofgrowth · 26/11/2019 12:38

Oh come on, no it does not.

Free childcare given to parents with toddlers, gay marriage legal,minimum wage gone up.

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Enb76 · 26/11/2019 12:40

Personally I’m pretty sceptical about erstwhile Labour voters feeling impelled to vote for the most right wing government we’ve seen post war, a government that makes Thatcher look benign.

I'm not. Lots of Labour voters voted to leave - if leave is your major concern then why would you then vote for a party who is not clear that they will honour your original decision but make you vote again for another, even less decisive option.

Alsohuman · 26/11/2019 12:41

Michael and Ken Clarke, both members of Thatcher’s cabinet, advising a LibDem vote? John Major, Thatcher’s Chancellor and Foreign Secretary telling us the NHS isn’t safe in the hands of this Tory incarnation? That should tell you all you need to know.

BovaryX · 26/11/2019 12:42

to vote for the most right wing government we’ve seen post war, a government that makes Thatcher look benign

GrinGrin[Grin

midnightmisssuki · 26/11/2019 12:45

No one I actually know personally is voting labour - and I have friends who are hard left. Even they have turned their backs on Corbyn and his racist party. Yikes.

Enb76 · 26/11/2019 12:47

Michael and Ken Clarke, both members of Thatcher’s cabinet, advising a LibDem vote? John Major, Thatcher’s Chancellor and Foreign Secretary telling us the NHS isn’t safe in the hands of this Tory incarnation? That should tell you all you need to know.

That they all believe that we should remain in the EU - yes, it does tell me that.

DustyDiamond · 26/11/2019 12:49

Michael and Ken Clarke, both members of Thatcher’s cabinet, advising a LibDem vote? John Major, Thatcher’s Chancellor and Foreign Secretary telling us the NHS isn’t safe in the hands of this Tory incarnation? That should tell you all you need to know.

😂😂😂😂

You mean the 3 arch Europhiles that worked together to topple Thatcher because she opposed the ERM & was becoming increasingly Eurosceptic as she'd seen the direction of travel?!

KK then...

I'm sure those 3 being rabidly anti Brexit has nothing at aaaaallll to do with them being anti BJ 🤔😂😂😂

EntropyRising · 26/11/2019 12:49

One must separate remainer politics from legitimate criticism of Johnson.

There's nothing the EU would like less than for Johnson to return with a mandate.

DustyDiamond · 26/11/2019 12:50

Xpost Enb 😊