Tory MN round 2 - a place for Tories to gather ...

[Goddessofgrowth]

And be ritually abused, of course

No, it’s not. You can carry out a forensic audit of my posts and you won’t find me calling anyone names. I’m careful never to do that. It’s rude and counterproductive. You will, however, find quite a number of posts insulting me.

Alsohuman there wasn't a housing shortage when Thatcher left office, hence prices being stable for a decade. The increase in ownership from right to buy and clamping down on inflation protected a whole generation from exponential rent rises and home insecurity.

Everyone in social housing with rent at the mercy of housing benefit is a very poor substitute. Don't fancy cash strapped councils being relied on to maintain my house or hike my rent at will either.

Didnt the housing act of 1988 usher in assured short hold tenancies? Basically giving little security to tenants.

Thatchers sell off of council houses meant multiple properties got gobbled up by landlords, now for rent privately. This has contributed to the housing crisis.

Also wasnt there a bill to make homes fit for habitation a few years ago? Do we know who voted it down?

You may all find this interesting. Right to buy was a combination of selling off the family silver and bribing working class voters. It showed the seeds of our current housing shortage. Incidentally Heseltine opposed it.

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/26/right-to-buy-margaret-thatcher-david-cameron-housing-crisis

No. The seeds of the current housing crisis aren’t 1979. They are 1997. When the average house price was $72,000. After 10 years of Team Bankrupt, the average house price was $200,000. Do you know what the population was in 1997? 58.2 million

We’ll agree to differ @BovaryX. House prices are only one element of the equation. Right to buy started the obsession with home ownership. Renting was an acceptable means of housing before that.

Right so Thatcher selling off council houses was never going to create price increases when everyone is essentially forced to buy in a crowded market.

The Tories used to claim privatisation of utilities would create choice for consumers when all it did was increase prices. Free market fallacy.

Epic, Thank you, I didn’t actually realize Tony Blair introduced it.

A little more background reading.

www.historyextra.com/period/modern/a-brief-history-of-home-ownership-in-britain/

Gosh, quite impressed by your civility Also!

Epic, Thank you, I didn’t actually realize Tony Blair introduced it

He didn’t.

Team bankrupt? Boom and bust, 15% interest rates, black Wednesday. It's like the 80s early 90s never happened.

Not a Tory but want to hear what you lot are saying. Get bored in an echo chamber built by either "side".

Ok, well semantics. 1694 etc... 🙄

It was significantly hiked first by Brown (albeit less than orginally intended, in his 97 budget, Under blair. It caused unexpected problems to middle income families living in the South East, who wanted to move within the area.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/budget97/live/housing.shtml

I am just curious about what the denizens of this esteemed forum think about the impending election? Who do you think is most likely to win?
A) Labour
B) Conservatives
C) Lib Dems
D) coalition
What do you reckon? Predictions without a bun fight would be good!

Yes. Team Bankrupt. Morally, fiscally, economically. That is precisely how I regard the last Labour government.

You must be delighted with the money squandered on no deal planning and get ready for brexit campaign.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-1265785/Labours-pound-70-000-hike-homebuying-costs.html

I’m not arguing the wrongs or rights of stamp duty, that’s for another thread. But labour upped the cash cow ante’ on homeowners first, the tories have then gone on to compound the problem imo.

Good old Gordon Brown/Tony Blair and the days of stealth taxes. At least the current labour shower are telling us straight up, how they plan to decimate the coffers this time. Yay Corbyn’s labour. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Here are the bookies' odds, Bovary. Every bit as scientific as polls but then, I've never met any poor bookies.

PaddyPower Majority Odds (Previous in Brackets):
◦ Tories: 4/11 (1/2)
◦ No overall: 9/4 (7/4)
◦ Labour: 25/1 (25/1)
◦ Lib Dems: 250/1 (250/1)

Bovary?

Truth be told, I think Labour will win. Not by a majority, but through a Coalition of Clowns due to a hung parliament.

I’m very worried about it. Hoping desperately that Im wrong, because if it happens, this country is finished. For a very long time.

I’m very worried about it. Hoping desperately that Im wrong, because if it happens, this country is finished. For a very long time

I can well understand why. What are you basing your prediction on?

Singing lily, that’s interesting. 25/1? I am quite surprised by that

Bovary, TBH, all of the polls are Tory positive, however there has been a dip in support for the Tories and an uptick in support for Labour over the last couple of days. Also, we have seen this with polls countless times before, time and time again. And the end result has repeatedly not gone as expected or predicted. But my science on this matter is as much use as a fart in the wind 😂, it’s merely a hunch.

The bookies are encouraging though, they are usually spot on.

Also I don't need lectures from you or The Guardian. I was there.

My parents bought their first house mid 60s. My Grandparents rented. By the end of the 70s when Thatcher was elected my parents had tiny mortgage payments of next to nothing due to inflation. My Grandparents were paying far more in rent and could have bought my parents' house several times over. That was why Right to Buy was a fair policy for them. Even had they sold the day after buying they would not have "made money".

Tony Blair took over a system where all he had to do was match council house building to demand to keep the market stable. This would also have kept a lid on prices in the broader market. He chose not to.

Cameron / Clegg / Osborne took the Blair bubble and ran with it.

Mandelson's filthy rich luvvies are equally happy with Cameron / Clegg /Blair.

They are not so fond of BJ or JC for obvious reasons.