Tory MN round 2 - a place for Tories to gather ...

[Goddessofgrowth]

And be ritually abused, of course

Boris only mentions his Turkish heritage to score points.

He has disdain for other religions, how has he described those who wear the burka? If it was truly an argument against its oppression, why did he need to mock the appearance of those who wear it? Absolutely unnecessary.

When he criticised Obama, why did he need to mention his Kenyan heritage? It was just that under current of casual racism.

Plenty of racists will claim they’re not racist because they like “so and so”, as if that excuses their offensive language.

RE: Corbyn and anti-Semitism. I was actually very impressed that he refused to sign on to the 'international definition of anti-Semitism' because it included some very strict guidelines about what one can criticise about Israel.

Eventually he did, if I'm not mistaken.

Mind you, I think this is very much a case of being hoisted by one's own petard because the left is so very fond of making inroads into free speech, from the banal to the provocative.

Iggly
He was saying the burka shouldn’t be banned. Women should have the right to choose. He was criticising Denmark for banning it. Apparently it is now racist to say women shouldn’t be banned from wearing religious clothing if the freely choose to do so.

My DH dislikes the burka and niqab. His own mother used to wear the Algerian version and one of my SIL still does.

Iggly Boris' ex-wife is of Sikh heritage. Were he not adamant about not dragging his children into the political sphere it would be much much easier for him to score cheap points. It is to his credit that he doesn't do it.

I would much rather be in the UK with a PM laughing at my clothing choices while upholding my right to them than I would be in France being forced to strip off on the beach or in Saudi being forced to cover up.

If Boris tells schools to stop mandating ridiculously expensive impractical school uniform then that would also be a vote winner for me.

If anyone were to read Johnson’s most famously provocative articles and not know that they were his, they would think that they were written by a defender of liberal western values who has little interest in safe journalism.

Which they are.

What did twofingers say?

They were Troll hunting you Goddess. The poster has form. MNHQ don’t like troll hunting.

Rudely barging in to make a post to bookmark rather than just placing it on watchlist.... 😳😘

Thanks for starting new thread btw - took me ages to get through old one!

I'll be voting Tory this time - I think Boris & the Tories are good for right now - but my vote will be up for grabs next time.

I'm voting Tory mainly for Brexit, but take Brexit out the equation completely & I'd still vote Tory this time due to Labour & the Lib Dems being so bloody awful.

“Rudely barging in to make a post to bookmark rather than just placing it on watchlist.... 😳😘”

No accompanying cat pic?

Also signing in, Goddess. I love the fact-based debunking of myths dear to the hearts of the caring Momentum crew and hope to offer a few inconvenient truths of my own when opportunity arises.

Has anyone read Blind Faith by Ben Elton? It strikes me that it is very prescient, and was when I read it a decade ago. Something is trying to move us ever close to groupthink, with no dissension allowed. I don't like it.h

Interesting to see that the Financial Times roundup of polls now has the Tories 13 points ahead. Obviously it's best to take nothing for granted, but a majority's starting to look much more likely than not

If that does happen it'll be genuinely interesting to see what the reaction is and what changes Labour will make. Blaming the right wing media's only going to take them so far, so personally I'm hoping for a much more effective opposition and a better choice next time

“If that does happen it'll be genuinely interesting to see what the reaction is and what changes Labour will make. Blaming the right wing media's only going to take them so far, so personally I'm hoping for a much more effective opposition and a better choice next time”

This. 100%

I’m not a troll! I name change LOADS. Can’t have my colleagues knowing I’m voting for boris!

Don’t worry Goddess, that’s clear to anyone who isn’t here for the explicit reason of closing down a debate they don’t enjoy or agree with.

I think labour are hoping to get the young behind them.

Voting Tory because they’re the only ones who will get brexit done.

Hmmm, not the young people I know! They are all going Tory or Lib dem.

The Resolution Foundation are pointing out that neither Labour nor the LibDems are proposing to do anything to tackle child poverty in their manifestos. If anything, they conclude that the LibDems are marginally better on this.

Given the LibDems are proposing a more fiscally conservative stance than the Conservatives that is a stinging indictment on where Labour's priorities are.

Not only are Labour spending money like it is going out of fashion but they will be doing it at the expense of children.

www.resolutionfoundation.org/press-releases/conservative-manifesto-risks-child-poverty-reaching-record-highs-while-no-manifesto-will-reduce-it/

Runningaway I agree wrt to religion, but do you also have no problem with our PM mocking gay people? I haven’t actually read the tank topped bum boys/gay marriage is akin to marrying a dog article in full. If someone could link to it I would like to read his comments in context and I can’t seem to find it online.

Well this is more sedate than its original edition! Perhaps certain prolific posters have temporarily run out of hyperbole....

I have a question about the labour manifesto if anyone could give me their ideas please? The 32hr working week and increased nmw- whilst I agree with the nmw surely the two combined is going to be a nightmare for small businesses? Would it not result in more companies only employing part time workers to by pass the shorter week and therefore reduce the amount of people in full time employment?

This makes interesting reading for those concerned about Corbyn and anti-semitism.

Running,

Hmmm, I don’t know, I’m on the fence with this, as I agree that we are generally quite happy to joke about Christians being godbotherers and bible bashers for example. That said, I feel it is right that he is called out on it, he is the political Leader and PM, therefore his viewpoints towards certain groups of people are important, as he will be representing all sections of the community in his governance. I agree, that in context he was actually supporting the rights of these women, however ridiculing them in this way does somewhat undermine his well considered points.

However. There is a HUGE difference imo, between making poorly informed and ignorant jokey comments, and actively cosying up with people that would seek to do harm to certain groups of people and would happily remove their autonomy within politics, ie Corbyns labour and the rampant bullying of jewish members, along with his appearances on iranian TV etc...

I would rather (grudgingly) put my cross in a box for someone who made poorly thought out jokes about bumboys (1998 and that was sadly not an uncommon saying back then then, albeit awful). Than someone who would seek to admire those that would throw gay people off buildings and execute them.