Tory MN round 2 - a place for Tories to gather ...

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And be ritually abused, of course

Thanks EntropyRising. Those are good ideas.

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Just awful.

Good morning. Our thread has gone quiet!

Boris is doing quite well, on the back of Corbyn's disastrous interview and secret NHS dossier. Feeling cautiously optimistic.

Anyone else?

Hmmm. Not sure, the new ‘poll of polls’ relies on very marginal seats turning. If they don’t it actually looks like a Labour/SNP pact.

I think the release of the poll can also lead to complacency - it’s wet, it’s cold, they are going to win so I’ll stay in.

As reported this morning, it has also led to Labour reassessing the effectiveness of their campaign - they are now going to push out their ‘Leave’ MP’s to negate Corbyn’s ‘neutrality’. Could leave to a re galvanisation of their campaign.

On the plus side, I am hearing a lot of negativity about the SNP assumption that they are going to be in a supply/support coalition. Their ‘shopping list’ of demands is not going down well, it’s arrogant & presumptive. The Corbyn interview, handling of anti semitism allegations and nonsense with the ‘secret papers’ yesterday hasn’t done them any favours, but there is still two weeks to go.

Totally agree with the above. My husband just shuffled in and poured cold water all over me, said there are something like 3M newly registered voters, and most of them are under 35.... that's a bit of a wild card.

At the very worst, I think, we'll have a hung parliament. I don't think Corbyn can form a government.

To be fair though, ‘the youth’ vote has never really been heavily calculated in as part of a Conservative win. This election is, in some ways, redefining party allegiances.

My daughter arrived back from Uni last night for a short visit. We were chatting about how students there are viewing the election. Her view was that apart from a hard core minority, there was an even split of Libdem & Conservative support amongst the student body.

What was very interesting was students view of tuition fees. She said many students were of the view that although they felt them unfair, the state in which the economy would struggle under Corbyn, would make it much more difficult for students to find a graduate position in the future and that this was more important to them. She also mentioned that Corbyn is very unpopular amongst many students and that students were relying on the advice of their parents as to how to vote. Interesting.

@EntropyRising don't want to worry you but I think we might be married to the same person. DH has been really Eeyore-like about Boris' chances for the last 48 hours and keeps lamenting about "the youth

Hm. Is your husband currently in desperate need of a shave? Please advise ASAP.

Interesting Appleco.

As you say, this is a pretty defining election, so I can imagine (were I to have children of voting age - I do not, but nearly) that this might be one where I'd probably lobby them a bit more heavily than usual because the debt implications are so worrying.

I mentioned upthread a bit that we're in the process of buying a house.
We've been seriously back and forth about whether to crack on with it or not during low ebbs of the campaign, so our two have been way more heavily involved in policy discussion with us than they would have been otherwise. They're both pretty keen for us to pull the trigger, but they get why we're nervous.

To be fair the survey has thrown up more than enough for us to have excellent cover to bow out.

Had an interesting chat to my Dad the other day. He’s ‘been around the block’ a bit politically in his life and has been retired for 20 years so has plenty of time to read all newspapers cover to cover every day.

He reckons that the 2017 ‘anomaly’ was due to TM’s appalling manifesto/campaign coupled with Labour’s giveaways plus their guarantee of delivering a wonderful Brexit which ended FOM. The media was so convinced that it would be a tory landslide before the campaign that Labour weren’t ‘questioned’ at all about heir policies. For example, how do you deliver a Brexit with a customs union but without FOM?

Whilst the UKIP vote collapsed, voters went to Labour instead of the Conservatives.

This time it’s different. Labour are offering an option of no Brexit vs no ‘real’ Brexit, their spending plans aren’t credible or deliverable and their planning on handing 5 figure sums of money to some of the richest women in the UK.

It is still likely to be unpredictable. The fact that the tories have effectively been in power for 9 years means that there is a large proportion of the population who has ‘forgotten’ about Labour’s track record on the health service and social care or have never lived through it.

Get a rope.

Applepieco

I agree about the polls predicting a Tory landslide. I think they are extremely counter productive, they cause Conservative complacency and galvanize Labour voters. Entropy, if that’s correct about 3 million new voters, that’s grim By the way, do you have to show ID to vote?

Did anyone see the Labour PPB last night, 6:55pm? I saw it just before I went out, Corbyn in a rather fetching powder-blue jacket preaching to the converted (at various party gatherings I think). Only mentioning more "free" stuff, not how anything will be paid for.

I've no idea what a PPB is?

All these virtuous Labour voters, voting for free stuff, all very noble.

Party political broadcast 🤣

Ah. Thanks.

Don’t worry Entropy, Labour PPBs are indistinguishable from regular BBC news

I'm just wondering what will be pulled out of the hat over the next two weeks, to try and bribe undecideds to vote Labour.

My £6,500 waspi money looked good - until DH reminded me that I'd be paying way above that in additional tax liabilities!

My £6,500 waspi money looked good - until DH reminded me that I'd be paying way above that in additional tax liabilities!

Ridiculous thing to say. Even if you pay 40% on it, 60% is better than nothing.

You missed the point there Alsohuman. Even if there was no tax applied to the £6,500, over the next 5 years I would be paying significantly more in tax than my current bill.

I didn’t miss the point because you didn’t make it. Explain to a simpleton who doesn’t understand.

Apologies - I thought it was obvious. Clearly not.

Clearly not so please explain otherwise I’ll have to conclude there is no point to be made.