Tory MN round 2 - a place for Tories to gather ...

[Goddessofgrowth]

And be ritually abused, of course

Yes, I think it will ultimately fall apart. Sooner or later some country is going to crash out of the euro, and there might well be a domino effect. I want us to be well out of it before that happens.

The euro is such a bad idea, you couldn't really make it up.

Thank you EntropyRising - or should that be DeltaS (see, better at Chemistry than Economics). I’m just surprised the media aren’t talking about this at all. They go on and on about ‘government borrowing’ but then don’t actually discuss what borrowing on this scale actually means.

Of course, I’ve heard the counter argument that the tories haven’t done anything to bring down the deficit. That sounds a bit to me like ‘I put on 5lb over Christmas so I may as well just keep on eating cake’.

or should that be DeltaS

nice one.

The bond rating agencies have waded in, perhaps some just aren't listening?

But of a de-rail (lot of a de-rail actually 😳)

There's been a lot of wide-eyed 'innocent, genuine questions' on both threads surrounding how on earth people can think our sainted Jezza (who hasn't an antisemitic bone in his body) could possibly be accused of such terrible things (he's devoted his life to fighting racism & violence in all its forms after all...) and cant understand for a second just why people fear him getting into power.

So! a couple of links to twitter threads which document his actions over the years wrt Jews, Islamic extremists & the IRA

(The 'Corbyn in the Times' link is to the main account, not a particular thread, but there are numerous documented examples of his ideology & past actions)

https://mobile.twitter.com/gileadini/status/1169283105821249536

https://mobile.twitter.com/TimesCorbyn

Huffington Post re antisemitism

This is in the DT by a German MEP
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/26/eu-preparing-little-scrutiny-great-leap-forward-integration/ It's interesting about further integration.

'Great Leap Forward' hahaha

The EU has to become more of a superstate or unwind the Euro. I think we know which way they'll go.

Blatant placemark.

Yesterday I listened to an episode of Freakanomics Radio, not sure if any of you listen to this podcast, it's 'The PM who Cried Brexit' (I think) - it's an interview with David Cameron.

Because the interviewer was seemingly a remainer, Cameron was sort of cast as the eurosceptic which made for interesting listening. It's a good cooking-dinner podcast, you might like it.

I’ve just watched Corbyn’s interview, it was awful, you would think he would be spot on with his numbers. He should of also apologised to the Jewish community, he’s so stubborn over certain issues. I don’t want to vote conservative but Corbyn isn’t leaving people with much choice. Also very strong left Labour voters seem to be like a cult, that you just can’t question there leader, they seem to think he is god like.

So in the last 24hrs or so we've had

• The rubbishing of Labour's stated cost of free fibre broadband for all, which casts doubt on everything else they have supposedly "costed".

• JC admitting that lower paid people will actually pay more tax after all (due to the removal of the "discriminatory" marriage allowance)

- And Labour admitting for sure they will fuck women over, by legally enabling women-only spaces to be mixed-sex

Oh yeah, for the many, but just not the 51%.

If I'm going to be screwed, I'd rather it was upfront than this nasty stealth attack.

If I'm going to be screwed, I'd rather it was upfront than this nasty stealth attack.

Me too - I'm well aware that the Cons are not perfect but they don't pretend to be either.

Can I just say this X deaths caused by austerity really annoys me. The two papers people are referencing do not claim that austerity caused the deaths because they cannot prove a causal link and they acknowledge this! (And breathe...)

I don’t want to vote conservative but Corbyn isn’t leaving people with much choice.

Yes this is what I don’t understand. Labour could have my vote if they moved back to the centre. I’m a conservative small c and align myself more with the tories who were ousted in Johnson’s cull and I am not a Brexiter and the idea of Dominic Cummings pulling strings behind the scenes just makes me all sorts of angry.
So, I feel a bit politically hopeless right now as I would imagine lots of people do. Labour, however, are on some kind of weird purist drive where they don’t mind losing as long as the Labour Party is true to itself and as hard left as they can be.
My vote doesn’t matter (I’m in London where most seats including mine are safe Labour) and I’m to-ing and fro-ing between buying Lib Dem or holding my nose and voting Conservative. I’ll probably go with the later I guess.
I’m more angry at Labour for this awful choice than anyone/ party else.

Cookit I agree with you, I'm the same. I feel really angry with Labour actually making it so clear that I don't matter to them.

The euro is such a bad idea, you couldn't really make it up.

Adults in the Room by Yannis Varoufakis, former Greek finance minister, is worth a read. Could be subtitled 'How the Greeks were stitched up'. Some of the technical financial detail was a bit beyond me, but his account of what went on behind the scenes is chilling.

Adults in the Room by Yannis Varoufakis, former Greek finance minister, is worth a read.

It's excellent. Also, EuroTragedy.

On the subject of ‘Eurosceptic’ books....

Can anyone recommend a really good but obscure one - particularly focussing on Greece and Southern Europe.

I really need to find something for my Dad for Christmas and it’s the kind of thing he’d love. He’s probably read anything on a bestsellers list. He did a postgrad in European Studied about a year ago, so he wouldn’t be after a ‘beginners guide’, but something recent would be great.

Here’s a link to Douglas Murray’s spectator article. It’s very funny

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/holly-rigby-and-the-ignorance-of-the-corbynistas/

Thanks RunningAwaywiththeCircus. I need to get my Mum to scour my Dad’s Kindle to see what’s already on it. That could be easier said than done....

Definitely Bernard Connolly

www.amazon.co.uk/Rotten-Heart-Europe-Bernard-Connolly/dp/0571301746/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Bernard+Connolly&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1574866402&sr=8-1

Although I'm not sure he's obscure enough, either.

You could also get him Charles Moore's new book on Thatcher, which ties into the EU quite nicely.