Tory MN round 2 - a place for Tories to gather ...

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And be ritually abused, of course

I see ssd had done a very mature thread

She had largely had her arse handed to her on a plate for it.

has

Apparently, we're all stupid - pah!

Most Conservative Party members wanted to Leave.

They don't run the country. Mind you, over the last 3 years neither do Tory MP's

Prior to the referendum most Tories wanted to remain

Actually, prior to the referendum, most Tory MPs wanted to remain.

Thank you for making this crucial distinction.

And, it's been pretty much the same since.

BovaryX it’s really hard to say. My suspicion is that there are quite a few ‘shy torys’ and amongst my friends. They probably assume that because I’m disabled, ex public sector and volunteer for a homeless charity then I’d never vote tory. I’m guessing that my most ‘I don’t want to talk about politics’ friend is tory as she shares lots of articles from The Sun on FB!

My family’s local area, on the other hand, was very ‘working class Leave’. They have spent the last 3 years being told they are racist, ill-educated, believing in unicorns, thick and that they didn’t know what they were voting for. They have pretty thick skins and don’t seem to get ‘vote shamed’ at all.

I think that euroscepticism has always existed and it’s a cross-party issue.

Yes. Tony Benn was a eurosceptic, and Bill Cash always has been.

The tories are now the brexit party.

Well, somebody has to be. Or are 17.4m voters supposed to just shut up and go away?

“Apparently, we're all stupid - pah!”

Standard, this seems timely...

Ghost if most Tory voters and most Labour voters wanted to Remain and UKIP never polled above 15% how come 52% of a high turn out voted Leave?

It must be all those LibDems?

We're in mostly middle-class London and no one is discussing the election because it's a teensy bit too close to Brexit for comfort. I do know that a lot of our friends have found Corbyn's plans for 'wealthy' people's houses pretty scary in the past, so....

I'd imagine a lot of people living in a 3BR terrace next to a kebab house in the Heathrow flight path would not like to find themselves in Corbyn's rich-person crosshairs.

Well, somebody has to be. Or are 17.4m voters supposed to just shut up and go away?

You didn't know what you were voting for.
You didn't know what you were voting for.
You didn't know what you were voting for.
You didn't know what you were voting for.

Personally I voted because of a bus.

Literally the only reason. 🤷🏻‍♀️😉

My family’s local area, on the other hand, was very ‘working class Leave’. They have spent the last 3 years being told they are racist, ill-educated, believing in unicorns, thick and that they didn’t know what they were voting for. They have pretty thick skins and don’t seem to get ‘vote shamed’ at all

You know, the attitude experienced by your family pretty much epitomises The Guardian comment section. It’s absolutely incredible that people think insults and visceral contempt for prospective voters is a good look going into a referendum. Or an election.

I don’t know if these statistics are true. I just found the image and am putting it there for discussion. Whilst I have heard that most Labour members are Remain, it appears that most Labour constituencies voted Leave. Whilst Labour London was obviously Remain, Labour Midlands and North was Leave - quite strongly.

I have a horrible feeling that if JC had backed TM’s deal on the understanding that there would be a GE for the country to decide the political direction of Brexit then Labour would now be looking at a comfortable majority.

However, that’s just a theory and I have f*ck all to base it on - before you all start demanding evidence!

“However, that’s just a theory and I have f*ck all to base it on - before you all start demanding evidence!”

Hahaha, like my ‘fart in the wind’ hunch from earlier! 😉😂

it appears that most Labour constituencies voted Leave. Whilst Labour London was obviously Remain, Labour Midlands and North was Leave - quite strongly

That is absolutely true. The Telegraph had an electoral map which showed precisely this. The West Midlands, North West, North East and Wales all voted Leave.

I have a horrible feeling that if JC had backed TM’s deal on the understanding that there would be a GE for the country to decide the political direction of Brexit then Labour would now be looking at a comfortable majority.

I think this was the calculation both TM and JC were weighing up. However Tory members and voters deserting in Peterborough and Brecon and EU elections showed that TM couldn't get away with "Any old Brexit". Labour voters deserting to the Brexit Party and staying home at the Euros showed that neither could JC because he ended up losing Remainers and Leavers.

There is some analysis showing that even in Labour Leave seats a majority of Labour voters backed Remain. However even if the Labour MP is sitting on a 70% majority if 3/7 of that backed Leave they are in trouble because the 3/7 may well stay home or desert. The other problem is that the 4/7 tend to be in the anti-JC wing of the party tempted to vote Chukka.

Yes, I sat up to watch the results that night. Leave was ahead from the start and throughout the night, until the London results began to come in, when Remain caught up a bit - but not enough.

I think Brexit fatigue will be a big factor. Most people I speak to just want it over and done with, even some previously rabid remainers.

I think Brexit fatigue will be a big factor. Most people I speak to just want it over and done with, even some previously rabid remainers.

Yes, that’s me. I think Brexit will be a shit-show. However, a hung parliament and a Remain vote in a second referendum is going to be a shit-show too. It will lead to another GE within a couple of years and the rise of Nigel and another ultra right wing party. We’ll then end up with another hung parliament with Nigel and his mates in it.

I don’t want to end up like Spain.

Can I join the conversation and ask where Ken Clarke has ever urged anyone to vote anything other than Tory?

Full Fact: Ken Clarke did not say he won’t vote for the Conservatives

We’ll then end up with another hung parliament with Nigel and his mates in it.

Farage has stood 7 times for MP and failed every time.

I disagree about the shit show, I think we may be narrowly missing the epic crisis of the EU disintegration. I personally believe that the EU in its current form is crumbling. I believe smaller splinter groups of countries more closely aligned in size, values and wealth will form instead. I think the German population will feel the pinch trying to make up the shortfall when the UK goes, and once they lose interest the whole thing will buckle. But hey, I don't know any better than the next person, just a hunch.

Has anyone seen the Corbyn/Andrew Neil interview?