To invite Conservative voters to gather here

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It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

They are all shaking the forest of magic money trees so hard the roots are trembling. None of them can deliver their promises.

I am hoping for no majority for anyone on the hope that this might drag everyone a bit closer to the centre.

Boris and his current Party are horrifyingly Right Wing.
Corbyn is too Left wing and an idealistic dreamer.

Something in between would be a major improvement for everybody.

I wonder if someone opened a thread inviting specifically Labour voters and it was overrun with shouty Conservatives hurling insults? Would Team Tolerant roll out a welcome mat?

I wonder if someone opened a thread inviting specifically Labour voters and it was overrun with shouty Conservatives hurling insults? Would Team Tolerant roll out a welcome mat?

Are you new here? That’s exactly what happens

And loving all the “anti Semitic” slurs on Corbyn while ignoring the stiff Boris has actually said and written in the last. He’s horrifying.

think there is a significant, silent majority that are fed up of having their views quashed and invalidated by the a loud minority on the left

This thread is a perfect demonstration of precisely that.

@woolie34 do you honestly and truly think that homeless and suicide are purely down to a conservative government? Honestly? Do you not accept that other factors like debt, gambling, bereavement, drugs, alcohol, business collapse, relationship collapse, etc have anything whatsoever to do with them?

Deathgrip, in an exclusively Labour thread? Care to provide a link?

It's only a slur if it isn't true. Corbyn fans really need to stop gaslighting people about things they have seen and heard with their own eyes and ears.

Governments should be helping people with addictions and complex needs not using them as an ideological football (see the undeserving poor/austerity).

@Chattybum I do absolutely think there are those factors. But a lot are government influenced. Gambling regulations are gov overseen, drugs alcohol, mental health all underfunded services, it all adds up. I'm just saying what I know and what I see.

I am hoping for no majority for anyone on the hope that this might drag everyone a bit closer to the centre.

Another 5 years of uncertainty/hung parliament will be an absolute disaster. We've already had a 5 year fudge coalition followed by 4 years of dithering over Brexit. We've had, basically, a wasted decade because of no overall control to actually get things done. Personally, I feel yet another coalition or a weak government propped up by a minority party is the worst of all outcomes. It pains me to say it, but I think a Labour govt would be better - at least they'd only have 5 years of damaging the country and then we'd definitely get a Tory majority next time to sort out the mess (as usual).

I'm a lifelong Labour voter and until recently party members planning to vote Tory for the first time.

1. Corbyn is a danger to the country
2. I'm Scottish and I don't want another indyref - we voted No
3. because of that whilst I voted remain I respect the outcome of the brexit referendum and think it should go ahead

Anyone from here who wants to join us in the Brexit Arms for a drink afterwards, is more than welcome, we are mostly leave focused and generally Tory, but we are a friendly bunch who accept views from all sides, provided there’s no goady or insulting/patronising behaviour. I will be totally honest though, we are not swimming in Corbyn fans, so just be aware of that in advance. 😬😂

Sorry for the blatant pub advert and slight derail... 😂 as you were...

And loving all the “anti Semitic” slurs on Corbyn while ignoring the stiff Boris has actually said and written in the last. He’s horrifying.

I'm guessing this a reference to his article about watermelon smiles, correct?

I know that Labour voters aren't big on the Telegraph, but if you actually read the article and had some grasp of nuance, you'd understand that it's a criticism of Tony Blair's filthy association with the Congo and the post-colonial mess that has conspired to drop him and Cherie there.

Of course under Corbyn, such an article would probably be designated as hate speech and Johnson imprisoned.

I'm feeling quietly confident for a Conservative majority personally

I think the "shy tories" phenomenon will rise again. (And not only because of the way people across age and demographics vote.)

And the fact that good, decent, kind remainer people of all ages, incomes and circumstances look at the options available and still vote blue, should give the reds and yellows serious pause for thought.

@BovaryX I agree. I personally rarely share my political views. I'm a libertarian at heart and although I'm not shy about most things I find myself speaking in hushed tones when out with other secret Tory's!! It's ridiculous!

Actions have consequences. You can’t vote for a party whose policies have severe repercussions

That’s precisely right. The last time the Labour Party were in power they invaded Iraq and saddled the UK with 200 Billion in PFI liabilities. In their latest incarnation, it’s forcible state confiscation of individual assets. Your team permanently vacated the moral high ground circa 2003. Take your tedious lecture somewhere else. No sale.

@hamstersaremyfriends @scaryteacher sorry I only asked for a link because I couldn't find it mysekf so was asking for help. I could only find articles from the sun, but I thought most people agreed nowadays they aren't worth reading.

@BovaryX sorry, at the risk of receiving more insults from you, corbyn voted against invading Iraq. And most of the other things too.

Any comment on why as a woman I should vote to allow Dawn Butler anywhere near my rights, woolie?

I would like to ask - politely - why do working class people on benefit vote Tory?

I am a high rate taxpayer, with a PhD and relatively affluent, and I vote Labour and support social inclusion, development and social justice because ultimately a fairer world makes my own life better.

I know that the higher amount of tax I'll pay under Labour will return back to me many times over in a safer society - there will be prosperous libraries, theatres and museums, free things to do for my kids, a more vibrant art culture and there will be more exciting jobs around. I am old enough to remember living under the Labour Government in the late 90s. There was another climate, another hope. It was almost a different country.

In their latest incarnation, it’s forcible state confiscation of individual assets.

Please point to this policy in the manifesto.

Also, Corbyn voted strongly against involvement in Iraq and PFI. At every opportunity. Nice attempt at deflection, though.

Can we now bring up what Thatcher did so that people won’t vote Tory now? Because that’s a doozie, thanks for that one.

I think it depends what you're willing to risk. When you're not disabled, don't risk going hungry, don't risk being homeless, don't risk having your vital mental health support cut off, don't believe you'll need the NHS in an emergency any time soon. Corbyn sounds really scary (and I think he's well meaning but utterly unrealistic and out of touch). The fact is that you have the luxury to be scared of him because you're privileged enough to be out of touch with the impact of cuts. (I don't believe most people are actually selfish enough to vote Tory knowing the impact it will have on societies most vulnerable members).

I am no Corbynite and I dislike Labour's stance on women's rights (although my own current Labour MP/candidate is one of the more GC Labour women) but I think IceCreamFace's point is a very valid and valuable one. I don't have the luxury of not being reliant on the NHS, nor does my disabled husband, and I have first-hand experience of supporting him through the demoralising, dehumanising disability benefits claims process. I can't vote Tory because of that, but I don't know who I will vote for. It's an interesting thread even though I'm not a Tory voter, so thank you OP.

In their latest incarnation, it’s forcible state confiscation of individual assets.

Please point to this policy in the manifesto.

How about the inclusive shared ownership fund?