To invite Conservative voters to gather here

[Goddessofgrowth]

It’s ‘best of a bad bunch’ in my case but there are three threads petrified of BJ/Tories so wondered if any MN Tories would like to gather here!

OP, it might be worth you putting a link to the new thread here....

The nurse has also tweeted;

"If I was a millionaire it would last a year........I am THAT good at spending money."

Well in that case her experiences as a nurse must be completely invalid. And people accuse the left of mental gymnastics - that’s Olympic level right there.

I do admit that I have to fight really hard not to think of Tories as unempathetic. I do know that is a lazy, flawed and irrational view and I do understand rationally that there are some lovely caring people who vote Conservative and that there are as many different reasons to vote for any party as there are people.

Nevertheless, Deathgrip's point about a vote for them condones their policies that affect the vulnerable rings so true. Of course I'm looking through a lens of my own self-interest just as much as anyone, I get that, but if you had seen my lovely DH, a man who worked hard all his life and paid his taxes until his disability forced his medical retirement in his 50s, reduced to a fucking performing seal at a PIP assessment ("lift your arm, lift your leg, push against my hand, turn your head..." - what exactly does this prove when his disability is cognitive??) only to have his benefits cut despite medical evidence his condition has worsened, then you'd understand why some people have such a visceral response to the thought of another five years of these policies.

That's not simply a rallying cry to Labour, I genuinely don't know who I'm going to vote for because all of the parties have major flaws and self-ID is a nightmare.

I do hope that people not voting labour on the basis of anti-semitism (which is a valid concern) are also boycotting the tories due to their leaders rampant racism, least you be guity of being the most enormous hypocrites.

I don't believe BJ is racist. I don't mind what he said about the burka, I think it's a ridiculous, misogynistic piece of clothing

Don't be so ridiculous. There will never be 100% support for one political party unless you live in the kind of dictatorship that shouldn't exist.

Well that seems to be exactly what some of the people on this thread think should be the case for JC and co, and off to the re-education camps for anyone who dares think otherwise

(I mean, said gulag is already pretty full of uppity women, but I'm sure we'll make room)

Politics needs a good robust opposition. Unfortunately I think Labour have been a terrible opposition and therefore cannot believe they'd be any good were they to actually gain power.

Happy to give Boris my vote after considering the other poor options. ... and just wanted to put on record that I'm an NHS Nurse.

Interesting because most of our NHS nursing friends are quite vocal Boris fans. It’s the supposedly educated (but clearly naive and inexperienced in any field outside medicine) junior doctors who are waving the Corbyn flags.

(Two different posters quoted above)

One of my friends is a matron & her husband is a consultant in a hospital

Both have worked in the NHS under Labour, coalition & tories - both are voting Tory (and both are leave voters)

(Just some more anecdata to add to others...)

clearly 'The NHS!' staff are not all devoted Labour/Corbyn acolytes - they're as capable of independent thought & action as everyone else.

No one party 'owns' any group's vote but Labour are consistent in pushing this narrative for some reason 🤷🏻‍♀️

I agree that Labour have not been a very effective opposition. The point about the front bench all representing a similar geographical area is concerning and one thing I have learnt from this thread.

However I will still be voting Labour.

Not all the Labour supporters on here are the hyperbolic Monentum types some posters have (hyperbolically) painted them out to be.

I read this thread because I am interested in alternate perspectives and have voted for 3 different parties in the past.

Maybe he is a lovely gentleman. I don’t know him. It’s the policies I’m critical of.

Precisely. I don't doubt that Corbyn is genuine, though I'm less convinced about that where McDonnell is concerned. He's spent his whole political career as a left wing campaigner from the back benches. He's incapable of 'thinking outside the box', which an opposition leader, and even more so a Prime Minister, needs to do.

Having said that, I'm going to have to vote Labour this time, as I don't want a Tory overall majority in Parliament and Labour are the only party that can beat the Tories in my constituency.

Although I'm also thinking about voting Green for the first time, as that's the most important issue facing us by far.

You’re really lacking a sense of self-awareness if you’re calling me a terrorist apologist.

And again you’re misrepresenting things in an effort to win an argument. I re-googled it before I responded (unlike many here I bother to do that), just to be sure there was nothing I was missing.

I called you on a lie which you’ve conveniently located ignored

Corbyn’s speeches relating to Iran focus mainly around nuclear weapons, and a human right commission, but why let facts get in the way of a good angle? Much better to trust what the Express says about it.

MayDay, I’ll be blunt - there is so much more to consider when voting than ‘how do they treat the disabled.’ Most people are not disabled.

You call it blunt, I call it callous and shutting your eyes to something you don't want to see. It's a tactic that's been used by many people over the years to justify voting for ideas and policies that are inexcusable because it suits them, so you're not alone. You keep telling yourself that it's a price worth paying and you're doing it because you can see what's best for society overall though.

The new thread is here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3753293-Tory-MN-round-2-a-place-for-Tories-to-gather

BJ is not rcasist and lots of people agree women in burkhas look ridiculous as do many men in kilts. I hope every muslim women curtailed by the coveirng of the head learns that they do not need that even if they continue to believe in God. Little girls come out of our local primacy school aged 6 with head scarves. They cannot quite see to the sides and their clothing makes it hard to run and play and cycle. I would not ban it but I want us to live in the UK where we can criticise - Je suis Charlie etc. (and I am pretty sure both Labour and the Tories are keen on freedom of expression although the left seems to be worse than the right at allowing people to be different rather than wanting stage control and dictat in traditional socialist fashion). A Tory vote is a vote for personal freedom. Including a right to stay someone looks silly in a burkha and that BJ is over weight or you don't like his hair or whatever.

Johnson is proudly racist, and added to this last week by acknowledging his words are offensive. His licencing of attacks on Muslim women ( for they bear the brunt, not Muslim men) is well-established, and fiddled to avoid a review of Islamophobia in the Tory party.
Name calling such as 'fat' or not liking someone's hair is totally and absurdly different to the cultural and religious observances of dress and modesty.

Your equalling such things is reprehensible. Freedom of expression gets wildly abused - why should a hijabi woman have to put up with some male loon threatening her and forcibly removing her head dress? That's where your 'choice' leads to.

And so it's your decision about what 'looks ridiculous' that is taken as the standard and anyone who agrees has some right to intervene on that woman's choice?

Pan
You do know Boris was arguing against banning the burka and criticising Denmark for doing so in that article.
He is racist for supporting women’s right to wear the burka if they want.

No pearl-clutching involved, nor smelling salts.
The comments lead to a noted 'spike' in Islamophobia attacks Johnson was 'encouraged' to apologise by influential Tory people.

But no, why waste the opportunity of a useful racist dog-whistle episode to shift the whole party to the right, and do it under the guise of a 'liberal concern'.

Pan
My MIL wore the local equivalent to the burka. DH (a practising Muslim) didn’t like it.

I love your gymnastics that an article supporting women’s right to wear the burka is somehow racist.

Isn’t it amazing the number of people who have Muslim partners on this thread? If just one Muslim finds the letterbox comparison offensive, that’s one too many and what all these liberal DHs think is irrelevant.